Maximum Tradeskills Needed - revised

[muha]

This is an updated list of the Maximum Tradeskills Needed.
I mentioned the top 2 tradeskills. The ones in parenthesis aren't really tradeskills (Nano Controller Unit is nodrop)

ME: 2100 - 5 Gem aruls / 1800 - Rod rings 6xQL.
EE: 2270 - 5 Gem aruls / 1800 - Rod rings 6xQL (1800 for QL300 Nano Controller Unit 6x).
QFT: 2025 - ql300 Shiny Jobe Clusters 6.75x / 1562 - Combat Knowledge Crystal+Medical Knowledge Crystal, other steps
WS: 2025 - ql300 Shiny Jobe Clusters 6.75x / 1800 - Alien weapon upgrade 6xQL.
NP: 2025 - ql300 Shiny Jobe clusters 6.75x / 1875 - Crystalised Memories Mechanic+Technician, other steps
Pharma: 2025 - ql300 Shiny Jobe Clusters 6.75x / 1800 - Alien armor 6xQL.
Psychology: 2025 - ql300 Shiny Jobe Shiny Clusters 6.75x / 1800 - Alien armor 6xQL.
Chem: 2100 - Alien armor from Mutated 7xQL / 1750 - Crystalised Memories Doctor+Surgeon (1800 for QL300 Nano Controller Unit 6x)
CL: 2025 - ql300 Shiny Jobe Clusters 6.75x / 1800 - Placing ql300 towers 6xQL
B&E: 1400 - ql200 nano rifles 7xQL / 1200 hacking leather armor 6xQL

Juat in case you wonder what Jobe clusters I mean:
Psychology: Skill Time Lock Modifier, Nano Formula Interrupt Modifier, % Add All Off., % Add All Def., % Add Xp
FQT: Shield AC, % Add. Dam., Energy Damage Add, % Add. Nano Cost -
Pharma: Heal Delta
CL: Max NCU
WS: RangeInc. Weapon (says % Add.Rad. Dam.)
NP: RangeInc. NF (says % Add.Rad. Dam.)

However, these are note the absolute maximums you can ever need. The reason is that clusters can also be used to push the ql of the imp ahead. For a shiny Jobe cluster to push the ql of the target 1 ql you need 400 more than the requirement.(tested). The maximum possible gain is +5 for ql250+ imps (not tested for obvious reasons). So the real maximums for imps are achieved with ql295 imps. I think the req for that is 1991, so the max is 3991. Of course there is no way to test this since such numbers are not achievable. But just for the sake of completeness, the absolute maximums:

ME: 2100 5 Gem aruls
EE: 2270 5 Gem aruls
QFT: 3991 - ql295 Shiny Jobe clusters made into ql300 imps
WS: 3991 - ql295 Shiny Jobe clusters made into ql300 imps
NP: 3991 - ql295 Shiny Jobe clusters made into ql300 imps
Pharma: 3991 - ql295 Shiny Jobe clusters made into ql300 imps
Psychology: 3991 - ql295 Shiny Jobe clusters made into ql300 imps
Chem: 2100 - Alien armor from Mutated
CL: 3991 - ql295 Shiny Jobe clusters made into ql300 imps
B&E: 1400 - ql200 nano rifles

Most of which aren't achievable.

[Leia]

looks soo SEXY

[Niodemus]

~4k TS?? Oh my.... how??

[BlckKnight]

Most of which aren't achievable.

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[massu]

There of course also is the opposite of those maximums needed to create implants as there is the 85% rule. So to make 300 imp you can use 255 cluster and not need 2025 respective skill but just 1722.

[muha]

There of course also is the opposite of those maximums needed to create implants as there is the 85% rule. So to make 300 imp you can use 255 cluster and not need 2025 respective skill but just 1722.

I think the requirement is decided by the imp, so even a 255 cluster will require 2025.

And there is no 85% rule. The rule is the you need a cluster of ql 246/252/258 to make a faded/bright/shiny imp of ql300. People spending creds on RK ql275 faded imps make me laugh.

[CarbonumCopy]

The skill required to insert a cluster is determined by the QL of the implant (blank or partially filled) that you are inserting it into.

The QL rules are actually 82% for faded, 84% for bright, and 86% for shining.

This is why I almost always insert clusters in the order Shining/Bright/Faded if the QL limits are close, as the QL bumps raise the requirements each step.

[Usual FC rounding rules for requirments: any fraction, no matter how small, rounds UP. Cluster must be striclty greater than or equal to the minimum required QL.]

[Beammaster]

does the "400 more than reqired" rule apply to bright/faded req as well? (i.e. the req for bumping 4-5 ql's are lower for faded/bright compared to shiny)

[muha]

does the "400 more than reqired" rule apply to bright/faded req as well? (i.e. the req for bumping 4-5 ql's are lower for faded/bright compared to shiny)

Read this thread for information.

[Alceona]

I crafted some QL 300 imps with different shiny job clasters. And coefficient were different from 6 to 6.75.

I've made this imps. Coefficient for nano delta claster were 6, coefficient for Fire dmg claster were 6.75.

Ps: For total craft config Nano programing should be maxed. I can do 2800 NP with MP buff. With NP about 2700-2800 you can increase Imps for 13 - 15 lvls by RK clasters.

[kuznechik]

I crafted some QL 300 imps with different shiny job clasters. And coefficient were different from 6 to 6.75.

I've made this imps. Coefficient for nano delta claster were 6, coefficient for Fire dmg claster were 6.75.

Ps: For total craft config Nano programing should be maxed. I can do 2800 NP with MP buff. With NP about 2700-2800 you can increase Imps for 13 - 15 lvls by RK clasters.

Actually - you need ~2450 to up ql285 imp by 4 by inserting shiny cluster. Faded/bright will already give you +5 if you have 2k NP.

[Alceona]

Actually - you need ~2450 to up ql285 imp by 4 by inserting shiny cluster. Faded/bright will already give you +5 if you have 2k NP.

Not for all imps. Head, eye, chest requare more skill for lvling by shiny.

[muha]

I added the reqs for the 17.3 items: 1875 NP and 1750 Chem for some of the items.
I also added the reqs for Communication Relay (1800 Chem/ME) but only as a note, since the result is nodrop, and you are not very likely to do this more than once.

[Takun]

With the full IPR I made sure I could reach all of these values... the sane ones anyways (2000 ish) and from my personal experience I can say you dont use them much... hell dont think I ever have.... AI weapons and Glyphs are pretty dead now... something to think about now since even alba tradeskills are lower...

Make sure you know what your doing before you put IP in them... you only get so many IPRs :]

I also added the reqs for Communication Relay (1800 Chem/ME) but only as a note, since the result is nodrop, and you are not very likely to do this more than once.

Tell me what the typo is in that quote and ill give you a cookie!

[kuznechik]

Hmm, more about some practical use...
How many NP do you need for increase of ql284-290 basic implant by 5 (by 4,3) by adding shiny cluster? Who cares about ql295 imp+shiny when we all use 284-290?

[erozc]

I also added the reqs for Communication Relay (1800 Chem/ME) but only as a note, since the result is nodrop, and you are not very likely to do this more than once.

You really meant the Nano Controller Unit, didn't you? Comm relay does not take any skill to make (or you can't make them to my knowledge, at least).

[muha]

yes, silly me, meant NCU not CR, fixing it.
Oh, and it's EE, not ME.

[muha]

Thanks Riftsoarer, I corrected the maximum QFT line.

[Xebulba]

Are these numbers still correct or have they changed since the date of the OP? Is it still safe to say reaching the amounts listed (2000ish I assume would be safe) above with IP/items/perks/etc. will allow engineers to perform all necessary tradeskills in-game?

[Ellarisa]

these are still correct as far as i know.
Greetings,



Ellarisa