Just did a round of BS and wasn't able to ams even once.

[Etyris]

That's like saying doctors should be forced to not be able to heal much or that evade profs shouldn't be able to pop evade perks when they need them.

You are not forced to not AMS. You are forced to think before AMSing, and I see that sols are already adapting to BR. It did not stop my opponents on BS from AMSing.

As for your argument seeing as that's already the case, as traders can already force docs not to be able to healing nanos, through the use of GTH, I'm not sure where you're headed with that argument. The difference is a trader can shut down a docs active defense before they use it. That's not the case with you. They have to wait for you to AMS. You have a choice - docs don't. You also have much better passive defense than docs. It's not the point, I did not come here to debate about doctors. Solds are not bereft of other defensive options (such as RRFE and precog which is a bit lol), they are just bereft of other good active ones.

Defenses that are too strong need to have drawbacks. Be clear on this, this is the way FC is going.

You can still use AMS, but it's a good thing that sols will have to think and know their surroundings a bit before blindly mashing AMS, as enfs will have to think before using rage when the local cooldown rebalance goes through.

[Etyris]

2 of any profession can take down a soldier if they are all equally equipped, 3 people can kill a soldier through AMS easily if they are all equally equipped.

If the soldier is better equipped then you, then of course they are going to be able to kill you just as any other profession can barring the nemesis situations (which soldiers also fall pray to really badly to)

Also your talking about an enforcer vs a soldier. The soldier will likely win in that situation if they just sit there and slug it out, but the enforcer can always run away and good enforcers still have a chance to beat the soldier.

Only reason why people view AMS as really strong is they are to impatient when fighting someone and want to see results immediately, but in the long run it isn't much more efficient then other defenses and comes with very big drawbacks.

I don't get what you're saying here. Should we run or should we slug it out and wait for AMS to go down? I run because by the time the AMS is down I'll be almost dead and can be easily finished off. By the time I go back to look for the sol.. guess what, he's nowhere to be found! Then he waits out his 40s in some hard to reach area of the BS or runs to 75% gas and next time I see him, guess what? The cycle begins anew!

We're talking about 87% damage reduction that scales perfectly with every attack in the game, save those that circumvent it. I can't believe FC devs ever thought that 80 seconds of 87% damage reduction has any place in the game. BR brings but a small amount of sanity to an insane situation, and friends... it is truly working as intended.

[navycut]

Think before casting AMS? Please. I don't have a sold (not a tl7 one anyway) and I see how retarded this is.

You fighting someone and you AMS then a tarder pops by and hits one button, tell me how much can u think there? Stop being so ignorant abt these things.

That being said, AMS does need to be toned down a bit and these nemesis professions would (should) hopefully get toned down a bit vs solds also.

[Lupusceleri]

I figure the biggest problem with BR is that the only way to counter it is not using your defense at all. Against LE nukes and NSD you can at least still AMS and don't get punished for it.

[Vesp]

I dont mind BR.. leave it to Traders. even leave it to 100% reflect for them u can also make it last longer.. 1min 20s as soldiers have .. just give them the NSD effect too. we will see how cool it would be then.. how fun it is to not be able to use even root graft.

OR : remove all retarded nanos like BR GTH RI NSD(engi retarded aura) and ballance the normal ones like debuffs AMS roots nukes .. etc etc

I got bored of soldier pvp like 2 years ago.. when u have 3 nemesis proffs (2 of them are tradeskills, why americans didnt sent bartenders and automechanics in Iraq?)...

[Xeriathos]

Epic Nerfing.

67 posts removed from this thread. Do quit trolling eachother. Also, the next time a mod has to come back for this thread it'll be locked and infractions will be given.

[Genie]

I don't get what you're saying here. Should we run or should we slug it out and wait for AMS to go down? I run because by the time the AMS is down I'll be almost dead and can be easily finished off. By the time I go back to look for the sol.. guess what, he's nowhere to be found! Then he waits out his 40s in some hard to reach area of the BS or runs to 75% gas and next time I see him, guess what? The cycle begins anew!

So what you're really saying here is that you can easily survive a soldier IF you want to, but if you run and cant find the soldier before AMS lockdown runs out, you BOTH start the fight again at equal terms. However, if you do find the soldier, the soldier will have no chance whatsoever. So basically what you're asking for is for enfs to be able to kill a soldier without using any forms of tactics available to you, except to simply tank him to death. You should have rolled a trader then, they are excellent for just that thing.

[Kopecz]

So what you're really saying here is that you can easily survive a soldier IF you want to, but if you run and cant find the soldier before AMS lockdown runs out, you BOTH start the fight again at equal terms. However, if you do find the soldier, the soldier will have no chance whatsoever. So basically what you're asking for is for enfs to be able to kill a soldier without using any forms of tactics available to you, except to simply tank him to death. You should have rolled a trader then, they are excellent for just that thing.

He did roll a trader. The post stating such got deleted

Back to the real issue at hand: Nemesis nanos are stupid. Period. They're either extremely OP like BR or extremely useless like most of the other ones. They should be removed yesterday.

[Armus]

You are not forced to not AMS. .

And docs aren't forced to heal, fixers aren't forced to hit dof.



So what other defence do you suggest should use?

The difference is a trader can shut down a docs active defense before they use it. .

Really now.. So GTH wouldn't stop AMS on a soldier? Could you elaborate on your thinking here please.

That's not the case with you. They have to wait for you to AMS.
You have a choice - docs don't. .

Why do they have to wait? They can prevent AMS just as effectively as they can prevent a doc from healing. Why can't they just GTH us?

You also have much better passive defense than docs. It's not the point, I did not come here to debate about doctors. Solds are not bereft of other defensive options (such as RRFE and precog which is a bit lol), they are just bereft of other good active ones. .

Docs have higher hp as well as healperks that actually do something.
In addition to vastly higher nano resist and innate resist to drains and the possibility to remove them.

Defenses that are too strong need to have drawbacks. Be clear on this, this is the way FC is going..

It's been explained a myriad of times how easily ams has been prevented, circumvented or just ignored. It's not pwerful just because a bunch of greens or untwinked pvmers can't kill a soldier instantly. Because that goes for most well twinked toons of any prof.

You can still use AMS, but it's a good thing that sols will have to think and know their surroundings a bit before blindly mashing AMS, as enfs will have to think before using rage when the local cooldown rebalance goes through.

If that's the reasoning why don't it apply to active defenses and offensive nanos such as drains, nemesis nanos, roots or anything else in game? Everything that may be powerful should also have massive drawbacks, shouldn't they? A few things do such as sacrificial shielding for MP and LE nukes for nt's, but the vast majority of nanos and perks in game have no such backdraw, do they?

[Etyris]

And docs aren't forced to heal, fixers aren't forced to hit dof.



So what other defence do you suggest should use?





Really now.. So GTH wouldn't stop AMS on a soldier? Could you elaborate on your thinking here please.



Why do they have to wait? They can prevent AMS just as effectively as they can prevent a doc from healing. Why can't they just GTH us?



Docs have higher hp as well as healperks that actually do something.
In addition to vastly higher nano resist and innate resist to drains and the possibility to remove them.



It's been explained a myriad of times how easily ams has been prevented, circumvented or just ignored. It's not pwerful just because a bunch of greens or untwinked pvmers can't kill a soldier instantly. Because that goes for most well twinked toons of any prof.



If that's the reasoning why don't it apply to active defenses and offensive nanos such as drains, nemesis nanos, roots or anything else in game? Everything that may be powerful should also have massive drawbacks, shouldn't they? A few things do such as sacrificial shielding for MP and LE nukes for nt's, but the vast majority of nanos and perks in game have no such backdraw, do they?

Noobius, use the defense your professionals did not ask for. If ams is so bad and easily circumvented... WHY AREN'T YOUR PROFESSIONALS ASKING FOR OTHER ACTIVE DEFENSES? They aren't because AMS = OP and you know it. You also forgot to mention Docs don't have RRFE/Aura which is extremely strong. Maybe traders wait to use BR instead of GTH because they want the reflects? Come on. I know you know that. Try to remain on topic or you'll just get this thread moderated again.

Roots are getting a local cooldown Noobius, please spend a bit of time on other forums and you'd see that. You know what... forget it. I pointed out the responses to most of these things in the posts that got deleted, you're not posting anything new, and I will not post my responses again, I'll just get trolled again. It seems solds think it's ok to shut down the offense of 11 profs with the stroke of one key without any thought, but it's not ok for just one to be able to punish you for using this ridiculous nano.

Here's what PvP against you is like for the other classes, give you some sorely lacking perspective:

You hit ******with nanobots for 270 points of melee damage.
Nano program executed successfully.
You successfully perform a Pain Lance attack.
You hit ******with nanobots for 24 points of melee damage.
You tried to hit ******, but missed!
You were attacked with nanobots for 55 points of fire damage.
You were healed for 110 points.
You are already running this action!
You hit ******with nanobots for 92 points of melee damage.
You hit ******with nanobots for 128 points of melee damage.
You hit ******with nanobots for 152 points of melee damage.
You hit ******with nanobots for 109 points of melee damage.

This is when I realize I can do nothing against this soldier and I run. Do I catch him during AMS downtime later? Probably not.

I'm done with this thread.

[Xeriathos]

So am I.

We've had enough trolling, so this is the end.