2 hour MP pets=finally lower reqs on engi pets?

[Technogen]

Not just 1 dog. Im talking chicken bot.

Hey, make that dog shop buy able and you can put the chicken in what ever damn quest you want.

Dog > Chicken

[Klodovik]

Dog > Chicken

But, but... There were numerous posts (now removed) on engie forums that dog is teh gimp.

[Technogen]

It got updated? OH you mean FC actually makes changes to the game!

Klod, even I grow tired of you and I refuse to respond to anything else you say.

[Hacre]

Yanno Swordbreaker, you can't keep crying about trolls when you keep making the same stupid comment of "Well can't you hop between mobs to keep pet alive?" and "well you must have known all of this when you rolled, 30 minutes blah blah".

I've never said I don't enjoy my crat. I do enjoy my crat, a lot, in both pvm and in pvp. That doesn't mean I have to be happy about every. single. aspect. of playing a crat nor does it mean I have to stfu about any stupid flaws in the profession. Like a 30 minute duration end game pet that I had to do 7 biodome raids to get, 6 of which I farmed all the keys for myself, solo.

I could care less if there were 400 easy workarounds. The point is, we're currently (thankfully not for much longer) working around a problem that shouldn't exist.

Now, while I am sure you won't care one iota, you keep on telling me that 30 minutes isn't a problem and how many ingenious work arounds you've discovered for that 30 minute timer and I'm just going to jump on the MP bandwagon and tell you that I don't think high skill requirements that you can work around are stupid. It goes both ways.

Stop being a hypocrite.

[Swordbreaker]

Yanno Swordbreaker, you can't keep crying about trolls when you keep making the same stupid comment of "Well can't you hop between mobs to keep pet alive?" and "well you must have known all of this when you rolled, 30 minutes blah blah".

All the while you keep saying that pet reqs aren't a problem. Nor haven't been a problem. While you don't even play the profession. However, I play a crat. I, personally, find the 30 min timer a whole lot less annoying than the nanoskill requirements on Engi stuff. In fact, I quit playing my Engineer because of all the little funny things until the new pistols showed up because it just wasn't fun.

And you keep forgetting that you actually are getting the new timers, while there's no sign of us getting lowered nano reqs.

I've never said I don't enjoy my crat.

Never asked if you did.

That doesn't mean I have to be happy about every. single. aspect. of playing a crat nor does it mean I have to stfu about any stupid flaws in the profession.

Never said you did.

Like a 30 minute duration end game pet.

Or as in the case of the Engineer, pointlessly high requirements of pets and pet baffs.

I could care less if there were 400 easy workarounds.

Yes, yes. As is the case with my complaint.

The point is, we're currently (thankfully not for much longer) working around a problem that shouldn't exist.

As we are, and will be even after this unless FC actually does something about it.

It goes both ways.

And you don't seem to realize that because it goes both ways I keep saying what I say. Requirements are a problem for Engineers, and have been ever since the Widowmaker and the rest 220 nanos hit live (although now they are a problem to a lesser degree, yes). Timers were a problem for Crats and MPs ever since the Rihwen and Carlo hit live. High requirements, however, require a whole lot more credits, time and real effort to get around than timers.

Yet the timers are getting fixed, but the high requirements persist.

[Technogen]

would you accept crat pets with same cast requirements as engie pets if they were perm?

[Klodovik]

It got updated?

It got its color changed.

[Swordbreaker]

No, I mean you spewing out silly stuff (which is actualy truth, I agree :shocked: ) like describing forced termination of my pet as "affecting pet duration" makes it funny.

Because it is you affecting the pet's duration. You are making it endure a shorter period of time in the hopes of making the time it repops at a more desirable one than the one where it would despawn naturally. If that's not "affecting the duration of a pet", then nothing is.

That's what I did sometimes on my crat, you know.

And yes, that's indeed priceless.

Yes, because truth is priceless.

Well, except that you actualy don't have to run around in full nano skill setup to do that.

Yeah, you only have to run around in a combat gear setup and then swap when your pets inevitably die a horrible death, which is so much fun. Because, you know, an Engineer needs more nanoskill equipment to actually cast nanos of the same nanoskill range than an MP does.

Unless you don't want to hit players or just keep your weapon out of OE or anything. Cuz hitting people with a weapon would suck!

No, you only need 2-3 AS implants and scope. Just like me.

Says mister "I can get ~260 nanoskills from two nanos if I feel like it".

Show me a viable grenade weapon or pistol weapon with AS and I'll go along with ya.

Or you can actualy make a hybrid setup, like plenty of other engies did. You know, adopt.

The word you're looking for is "adapt".

And yes, I know people can do hybrid setups. But you'll still end up swapping anyway if you wanna keep your weapon out of OE and whatnot, unless it's a tradeskiller/PvM hybrid setup.

To be effective in killin stuff? Not much, just my nano skills, NR, run speed and def rating.

Hey, that sounds a lot like what an Engineer would have to sacrifice.

No, I have pretty high reqs on my nanos (much higher then you have on yours). I just happen to have better nano skill buffs.

We have a 2109 MC/TS one. You have ones with 2109 BM combined with 2209 MC requirement (Zset also has a 2209 TS one). For an MP with ~260 nanoskills coming out of buffs only, that's not a whole lot in comparison.

You have low reqs on yours as well.

On the pistols? Yeah. They aren't pee vee pee wapoons, though. Grenade weapons? Sure, but they aren't really PvP weapons. REC3? Heh, that's not really all that low now is it. Dshark? Not a PvP weapon, and Jesus Christ man, that's not low for an Engineer!

etc?

Are you trying to say that that's all you get? Lawl mister.

Yes.

And you are the guy who went nuts with all the GOODIES he got.

I save that special "NUTS" moment when I get double AS Tigress with my name on it.

You mean "supernuts".

Nerf NTs, I say. Need moar trolls in this thread.

Yeah, no one can use triples but them. Bastards.

Damn, you should have told me that before LE came out, mate. To seek out "TEH ULTIMATE MP PVP CHOICE" with me. I had no idea that we actualy had a choice to be viable at PvP back then.

BAH YEAH I SHOULD'VE, GIMP MP USE REC3, I KNOW A LOT OF ENGIES DO. You are the guys who went nuts after getting lots of stuff suddenly after being poor for ages. Just like I said!

I suggest you to read between the lines more often. I just like to play with your minds.

Yes, between the lines it's always easy to read "don't mind me, I'm just trolling" when reading your stuff. Doesn't stop me from replying for the hell of it now does it.

Bumps the thread and makes it look like we're actually talking about something when no one really bothers to read anything we type. I don't think there's any question as to why either of us is posting now. For the sake of POSTING.

I agree, at least 1k more.

Let's make it over 9000 and you have a deal.

[Klodovik]

Because it is you affecting the pet's duration. You are making it endure a shorter period of time in the hopes of making the time it repops at a more desirable one than the one where it would despawn naturally. If that's not "affecting the duration of a pet", then nothing is.

That's what I did sometimes on my crat, you know.

That's all nice and peachy but, the issue was with prolonging our pet's duration. You know, a choice we never had.

Yeah, you only have to run around in a combat gear setup and then swap when your pets inevitably die a horrible death, which is so much fun. Because, you know, an Engineer needs more nanoskill equipment to actually cast nanos of the same nanoskill range than an MP does.

Well, if I wanted 20k HP setup with 500+ dmg bonus, even I would have problems with casting my buffs. So, uhm... HALP!

Unless you don't want to hit players or just keep your weapon out of OE or anything. Cuz hitting people with a weapon would suck!

You mean, something similar to MPs, if they use Tigress?

Says mister "I can get ~260 nanoskills from two nanos if I feel like it".

Show me a viable grenade weapon or pistol weapon with AS and I'll go along with ya.

I can't. However, I can show you two perklines and one LE research line that gives you 240 in ranged energy.

The word you're looking for is "adapt".

Thanks. Looks like I'm not the only one.

Hey, that sounds a lot like what an Engineer would have to sacrifice.

Not really, 'cos you have other means to protect yourself that don't directly relly on these, unlike my case.

We have a 2109 MC/TS one. You have ones with 2109 BM combined with 2209 MC requirement (Zset also has a 2209 TS one). For an MP with ~260 nanoskills coming out of buffs only, that's not a whole lot in comparison.

Teh horror. NTs can get more then 2,8k in MC and yet, they have only 2,24k MC req on their most devastating nuke. So what?

On the pistols? Yeah. They aren't pee vee pee wapoons, though. Grenade weapons? Sure, but they aren't really PvP weapons. REC3? Heh, that's not really all that low now is it. Dshark? Not a PvP weapon, and Jesus Christ man, that's not low for an Engineer!

And yet, you have far better support for them then we will ever have. Hence us getting the, oh so, dreadfull Tigress.

Are you trying to say that that's all you get? Lawl mister.

Actually, I'm asking you what's the etc part we are getting.

BAH YEAH I SHOULD'VE, GIMP MP USE REC3, I KNOW A LOT OF ENGIES DO. You are the guys who went nuts after getting lots of stuff suddenly after being poor for ages. Just like I said!

Wow, we finally came close to your "richness", that you had for years. Something wrong with that? I don't think so.

Yes, between the lines it's always easy to read "don't mind me, I'm just trolling" when reading your stuff. Doesn't stop me from replying for the hell of it now does it.

Yes, we both do the best we can. Me trolling, you trying to act smart. The problem is, I succeeded in my task and you did not.

[ragerayden]

Bump for Engis getting lower requirements for chicken & doggie.
[Edit]: Klod's understanding lvl isn't high enough to know/tell wether or not someone is smart or someone is acting(in case some didn't know)

[Ferg]

Not just 1 dog. Im talking chicken bot.

Yes, because all 3 mp pets drop from biodome.

[Klodovik]

Bump for Engis getting lower requirements for chicken & doggie.
[Edit]: Klod's understanding lvl isn't high enough to know/tell wether or not someone is smart or someone is acting(in case some didn't know)

Yeah. Whatever you say.

Yes, because all 3 mp pets drop from biodome.

Well, another one comes from the boring quest.

[Hacre]

Well none of the end game Crat pets can be bought from Gardens

Question: Does a single Trader drain screw Engineers out of controlling their pets? Genuine question, btw.

[crattey]

Well none of the end game Crat pets can be bought from Gardens

Question: Does a single Trader drain screw Engineers out of controlling their pets? Genuine question, btw.

I'd imagine so, since they can't even cast them in their combat gear.

[Swordbreaker]

That's all nice and peachy but, the issue was with prolonging our pet's duration. You know, a choice we never had.

You could've used a lower pet instead of the Rihwen if the timer was such a huge problem for you!

And you had a choice. Roll an Engineer!

Well, if I wanted 20k HP setup with 500+ dmg bonus, even I would have problems with casting my buffs. So, uhm... HALP!

I don't think that most Engineers whining about the difficulty of casting things are Engineers with 20k HP and 500+ damage bonus, though, so your point is moot.

And BTW, Widowmaker was hard to cast when it came out with all nanoskill items of the time. Looks like you needed a wornagulor and mochies to do it. It's been a problem for ages, it surely isn't something that popped up just now.

You mean, something similar to MPs, if they use Tigress?

So you're saying that Engineers and MPs have similar problems with weapons? Oh em gee, man!

But at least your PEE VEE PEE weapon was actually made for you, while the Engineer weapons tend to be someone else's that Engies adopted because they can adapt unlike SOME.

I can't.

A-ha!

However, I can show you two perklines and one LE research line that gives you 240 in ranged energy.

And I can show you a SINGLE LE research line and ONE perkline that give 235 Bow combined. Yay for getting nearly the same with less actual perk usage.

And Sureshot Glasses that give you 80 Bow. And never forget about Masterpiece Ancient Manual Aiming Aid (75 Bow)! And you have symbs that give Bow, too. Booooooo!

Thanks. Looks like I'm not the only one.

Luckily it ain't me. I knew perfectly well that the word was "adapt"!

Not really, 'cos you have other means to protect yourself that don't directly relly on these, unlike my case.

I guess that has something to do with you having the 260 more nanoskills through buffs alone than we do.

And what, you have trouble with nanoskills? WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR HYBRIDNESS MISTER KLOD.

Teh horror. NTs can get more then 2,8k in MC and yet, they have only 2,24k MC req on their most devastating nuke. So what?

NTs aren't pet users, though. Crats, Engineers and MPs are. You got most nanoskills, but we get nanoskill reqs that are at your level. Obviously there is something wrong with this picture.

Indeed, I require, nay, demand a 100% ME 25% pistol weapon with AS!

And for someone who has nanos that require just 62 more nanoskills than the highest Engineer nanos do AND has buffs that gief 260 nanoskills combined, you sure seem to like whining about them a lot in opposition of Engineer nano req stuff!

And yet, you have far better support for them then we will ever have. Hence us getting the, oh so, dreadfull Tigress.

Yeah, yeah. MPs are just afraid of EXPERIMENTING, and thus true SACRIFICE! Thus they end up using cookie cutter things that were specifically custom made for them, unlike brave pioneering Engineers who mustered weird crap and became godlike!

LIVE WITH IT.

Actually, I'm asking you what's the etc part we are getting.

It's the other things about MP prof that you have which are better than what we have. Surely you know what "etcetera" means?

Wow, we finally came close to your "richness", that you had for years. Something wrong with that? I don't think so.

Something wrong with it? Not really I guess. Equality of the gimps has always been close to my heart. I have no idea what that has to do with Engineers requesting lower nanoskill reqs for their stuff, though.

Yes, we both do the best we can. Me trolling, you trying to act smart. The problem is, I succeeded in my task and you did not.

Klod am so smartey it hurts teh pants.

[Zeelander]

I don't really see the point in bringing how hard endgame pets are to require. In that case introducing a lengthy quest to get the widow/dog would then justify lowering the reqs or what? Hardly a good argument in my opinion. Fact is that most, if not all, 220 pet profs have or will get the pets, the question is about whether the reqs, and the lengthy item swapping, is justified for engis or not.

Would engis gain any advantage over MPs and crats by not having to swap a gazillion items, after all they swap back to their damage setup anyway. Why does MPs and crats even care whether engi pet reqs are lowered?

It is a pointless hazzle for engis and to be able to cast their pets without swapping they would have to gimp themselves considerably. So why not just lower the reqs a bit and make the game more enjoyable for engis?

It just seem like the usual childish "It's not my profession getting an improvement, so I'll do whatever I can to prevent it", stop being so damn selfish. Seems to me MPs and crats will lose absolutely nothing by this, so what exactely is their problem? Jealousy because engi pets are permant and their own are not? Well in that case keep working for getting permanent pets or reducing engi pet duration to 2 hours as well, you being unhappy with FCs decisions about your own pets doesn't have anything to do with engi pet reqs being too high.

[Klodovik]

You could've used a lower pet instead of the Rihwen if the timer was such a huge problem for you!

Why should I use lower level pet when we were talking about end game pets exclusively?

And you had a choice. Roll an Engineer!

How exactly that helps with MP pet lasting longer then 30 minutes? Me rolling one triggers 2 hour pet duration on my MP? Edit: I tried, it didn't work.

I don't think that most Engineers whining about the difficulty of casting things are Engineers with 20k HP and 500+ damage bonus, though, so your point is moot.

I must say I agree with that bolded part up there. You really don't.

And BTW, Widowmaker was hard to cast when it came out with all nanoskill items of the time. Looks like you needed a wornagulor and mochies to do it. It's been a problem for ages, it surely isn't something that popped up just now.

I believe moochies had a reason back then for not being self only.

So you're saying that Engineers and MPs have similar problems with weapons? Oh em gee, man!

But at least your PEE VEE PEE weapon was actually made for you, while the Engineer weapons tend to be someone else's that Engies adopted because they can adapt unlike SOME.

If it's a general weapon, it doesn't mean it was intended solely for someone else and not for you as well (especially if you have support for it, which you do).

A-ha!

And I can show you a SINGLE LE research line and ONE perkline that give 235 Bow combined. Yay for getting nearly the same with less actual perk usage.

And Sureshot Glasses that give you 80 Bow. And never forget about Masterpiece Ancient Manual Aiming Aid (75 Bow)! And you have symbs that give Bow, too. Booooooo!

I can show you several pieces of RE boosting items and special eye implant thingie that is usable by engies, but I'll leave it for you to figure it out yourself. Ofc, there's a buff (70) for boosting RE (no such thing for bow) and another one on top of composite expertise as well but, that's another story, probably more suitable for the "sploit section" of this game.

Luckily it ain't me. I knew perfectly well that the word was "adapt"!

Good, you are halfway to your goal. Now you just have to learn the meaning of that word.

I guess that has something to do with you having the 260 more nanoskills through buffs alone than we do.

Yes. You see, if I use bow, this is the sacrifice I'm forced (using "engie language", 'cos there's no such word as "willing" in their books) to do.

The main problem is, my bow doesn't perform the same (once equipped) if I replace i.e. AS symbs and scope with nano skill "versions" of items in those slots, unlike your bots.

And what, you have trouble with nanoskills? WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR HYBRIDNESS MISTER KLOD.

No, I don't. Nothing special happened, I adapted.

NTs aren't pet users, though. Crats, Engineers and MPs are. You got most nanoskills, but we get nanoskill reqs that are at your level. Obviously there is something wrong with this picture.

Well, we are both pet users, you have blockers, we have blockers. I have 2 less. Wai? Obviously there is something wrong with this picture. I want 7 blockers as well and I want them to refresh like yours.

Lets not forget crats. They have no blockers at all but, they too are pet users. Now, WTF is that for?

And for someone who has nanos that require just 62 more nanoskills than the highest Engineer nanos do AND has buffs that gief 260 nanoskills combined, you sure seem to like whining about them a lot in opposition of Engineer nano req stuff!

But, I'm not opposing anything.

Yeah, yeah. MPs are just afraid of EXPERIMENTING, and thus true SACRIFICE! Thus they end up using cookie cutter things that were specifically custom made for them, unlike brave pioneering Engineers who mustered weird crap and became godlike!

LIVE WITH IT.

I CAN'T! I won't be happy 'till I get your tradeskill buffs as well!!! Oo

It's the other things about MP prof that you have which are better than what we have. Surely you know what "etcetera"* means?

I know what it means, I'm just interested in that "etc" thing you are implying we gonna get, along with 2 hour pets.

Something wrong with it? Not really I guess. Equality of the gimps has always been close to my heart. I have no idea what that has to do with Engineers requesting lower nanoskill reqs for their stuff, though.

Well, I have no idea what our "to be" 2 hour pets have to do with your nano skill reqs being lowered, that's for sure.

Klod am so smartey it hurts teh pants.

There's a cure for that, you know.

*It's "et cetera", not "etcetera".

[Uaintseenme]

ok, i have an idea, i challenge anyone of the mp's in this thread to remove eye/brain and right hand symbs for 7 days, play the way an engie plays and see if you think the amount of item swapping you have to do is justified.

[Klodovik]

ok, i have an idea, i challenge anyone of the mp's in this thread to remove eye/brain and right hand symbs for 7 days, play the way an engie plays and see if you think the amount of item swapping you have to do is justified.

Warning! This is a trick.

[Technogen]

ok, i have an idea, i challenge anyone of the mp's in this thread to remove eye/brain and right hand symbs for 7 days, play the way an engie plays and see if you think the amount of item swapping you have to do is justified.

Should most likely add no "self nano buffs" to that.