Fix The Shot in next patch??

[heartless888]

@ Heartless:

Tranq: 1 sec execution, 25 sec duration, 1min recharge -1200 runspeed
Soften Up: 1 sec execution, 18 sec duration, 2 min recharge, - 600 runspeed
The Shot: 5 sec execution, 20 second duration, 2min recharge, - 500 runspeed

-2100 total runspeed. runspeed cap is?

If you don't have capped runspeed that's your own fault, and if you do have capped runspeed then you won't be stopped. As well the odds of having all three perks ready, and have all three perks land (not resisted) and land before you die need to be considered before judging how effective they are.

But this snare discussion wasn't about if they are useful, I never said they weren't. I just said they don't stop people.

why are you even argueing with me? it wasnt up for debate, it was facts, nothing else, and i do play 220 agent.


and i also have a 220 advy, with capped run speed, i know very well what perks do, again its not up for debate, its called game mechaincs


now, if after you snare perked your oponent they still catch up to you, MAYBE, just MAYBE, you're the one that should lvl and IP run speed?

[Pafpuf]

you are probably jealous

What exactly do you think I am jealous of ?

[Regression]

lol this ayria person is amazing

[Contra]

bump for a fix and lol@ Pifpoc saying agent alpha is fast It used to be fast when an agent only needed AS/CS and a few regulars to kill...now an agent needs to land as many perks he can and when you look at our perk attack times you'll see that a full alpha is done in about 12-20 seconds. And NO, don't even dare to bring Cortez like alpha into this discussion.

[Pafpuf]

Cortez like alpha, as in effective alpha ? If you don't want to use an effective alpha setup don't complain about not being able to instakill people. God damn noob hypocrites everywhere.

Hint: pressing o1234567890 and waiting 20 seconds for them to execute is not an alpha, it's called being a retard with a keyboard trying their best and still failing.

[Pheddy]

you are probably jealous

no he is probably JESUS

[Ayria]

lol this ayria person is amazing

Why thank you

Pafpuf: Looking at Cortez and saying that "All Agents should be like that" is about as proper as saying McDonald's only employs Caucasians because that's all that worked the day you took a survey. What you see of Cortez is his best moments, one side of the deal. He didn't post his deaths or his failed ganks, just his successes. So he has a lot of good kills, chances are he has just as many good deaths. And if you look at the whole statistic suddenly things aren't so "Omg he's uber you all are just to lazy to be like him" because chances are there are lots of Agents out there 'like him' but not as renowned because they don't have the ego to post their ganks on youtube and they don't hide their death count.

Oh, and as far as facts go, Agents perks are some of the slowest in the game, check the DB, you'll see things like "ombubahtehshot" has a 5 second execution time. If 5 seconds is fast for you in PvP; you suck.

[Hacre]

Cortez must have killed a lot more than he's died at some point, seeing how he got Master without buying it from someone, before the BS even existed.

Cortez assassinates, or assassinated. If that isn't what you want to do with an Agent (or a killing combination you want to use) then by all means don't. But stop then saying in the next breath you're an assassin. Whoever it was that said it. I don't care if it was you or not.

Funny how 5s is a long time when it suits, but it isn't a long time at all for an NT to be stuck in recharge..

[Ayria]

And since when was I talking about NT nano recharge time? If you want to we can talk about perspectives and how humans perceive time slower when it is against them but that is theoretical discussions and probably to much for you.

And getting Master the 'official' way isn't that hard if you sit in sneak and wait for people to be hurt or not paying attention then sweep in and take the kill and then run off to some backyard. I mean really, if I sit and wait for someone to be fighting someone else or sitting to heal or standing around talking (yes I know they are flagged and are the idiots but that doesn't change that it's an easy kill) it's not hard to fire off AS, perk/swap, SA etc etc. Sure you **** up, even Cortez did, the only thing you have to do is if your gank fails run the **** away like a coward child to a backyard and try again when your specials recharge; then call it PvP.

Is that what I want for Agents? Not really, I'd rather not be a coward ganker and call it PvP, but I guess that's how everyone PvPs and how Funcom wants it, so may as well go with the flow right?

[heartless888]

Why thank you

Pafpuf: Looking at Cortez and saying that "All Agents should be like that" is about as proper as saying McDonald's only employs Caucasians because that's all that worked the day you took a survey. What you see of Cortez is his best moments, one side of the deal. He didn't post his deaths or his failed ganks, just his successes. So he has a lot of good kills, chances are he has just as many good deaths. And if you look at the whole statistic suddenly things aren't so "Omg he's uber you all are just to lazy to be like him" because chances are there are lots of Agents out there 'like him' but not as renowned because they don't have the ego to post their ganks on youtube and they don't hide their death count.

Oh, and as far as facts go, Agents perks are some of the slowest in the game, check the DB, you'll see things like "ombubahtehshot" has a 5 second execution time. If 5 seconds is fast for you in PvP; you suck.

not really, he ganked in FP fixer

if his gank failed, hed meep and try again, i doubt he died a whole lot, because that guy does not open himself to any attacks at all, even in BS hed go fixer and meep so yeah. about that death count, im sure his agent's is pretty clean

[Ayria]

Well meeping at the first sign of failing isn't exactly PvP either and imo should then not be used to gauge others upon. If we are expected to act like him just to do well something is a bit off imo. And I think Funcom agrees with me (Deserter for /afk on BS etc)

[heartless888]

Well meeping at the first sign of failing isn't exactly PvP either and imo should then not be used to gauge others upon. If we are expected to act like him just to do well something is a bit off imo. And I think Funcom agrees with me (Deserter for /afk on BS etc)

well serious pvp isnt about 210-219 either but hey

[Ayria]

Tell that to TL5 BS.

[Cyberleet]

But stop then saying in the next breath you're an assassin. Whoever it was that said it.

FC did and do, you think otherwise, we get it. But why should anyone listen to you? Who's your endgame agent?

You wanna play a real assassin ?

We are, we're playing THE assassin in the game, that just a fact that will remain. Get some clue ^^
It's like claiming agent is a pet-class, while it's obvious for anyone it's not.

And thats the reason The Shot is to be repaired again, because of class-charracteristics.

[Blackcradle]

This thread is more or less totally retarded but I just thought I'd clarifly something that, predictably, no one mentioned about 'cortez alpha.' Everyone seemed to fail to mention it's only viable every 7 minutes but that's okay since wtf-pwn-ing everyone every 7 minutes is worth the previous 6 minutes and 30 seconds in sneak.
Also I'd like to add that all agents perks cap people and have 1-second execution times...

[Blackcradle]

On topic I think this perk should be addressed. That's not to say it's totally worthless but a lot of agents, myself included have untrained it after the recent changes. The annoying part about the changes is that some perks CAN STILL BE EXECUTED FROM SNEAK just like this perk used to be able to. I don't understand why funcom would change some and not others; although this is beside the fact that it's apparently okay to cast nanos that can take away half-to-3/4 of someones HP from sneak and that's still okay... retarded. The other annoying thing about this, is that very few of the people who troll every single agent-related thread realize, is that this perk was changed back and forth a few times before finally staying in it's current state for a decent amount of time; I've untrained it and re-perked it accordingly and it's annoying as hell to base your setup/strategy around certain perks only to have them continually f*cked with back and forth. I'd be fine with the perk staying the way it is right now if the execution time was just changed...we have way too many slow perks as is.

[heartless888]

Tell that to TL5 BS.

TL5 pvp is TL5 pvp and endgame 220 pvp is endgame 220 pvp, 210-219s are lvling toons :P so get the agent endgame geared then we can talk, the fact that you argue about game mechaics, which are facts, just makes all your posts worthless, i am sorry.



look at how you said -1800 run speed dosnt matter to anyone that IPed run speed, that right there, made you unworthy of argueing with, what i said to you isnt up for debate, its facts, again look up the whole snare perks convo


good night btw :P

[Ayria]

look at how you said -1800 run speed dosnt matter to anyone that IPed run speed

You know those snare perks don't stop anyone who puts IP into runspeed or has GSF, or is ranged..

Why don't you try arguing about what I actually said instead of some lie concocted from your desire to disprove me. Try reading my quote, and then read what your are saying I said, then read mine again and see if they match.

I can assure you anyone out of grade two can tell they don't. So how is my quote, and what you said I said (which is wrong; do you realize that yet?) a way to disprove my knowledge of game mechanics? Hmm?

Don't stop != Don't matter.

I believe I had to tell this to Hacre too:

I never said they'd be in any good condition or have much of a fighting chance, these are things you are bringing in; I had simply stated that the snares won't stop people and you've been looking for some victory in whatever way you can from that part of our debate. I never said it wasn't a big snare, never said it was useless or weak or in need of a boost or left anyone in any good situation. I said it doesn't stop them. That has been proven, continually making points from some obscure angle as if to refute the fact for whatever reason, is a vain attempt.

So if that's all you have, I think I'll get back to my game mechanics.

[howlin]

Bump, this bug needs to be fixed

[Contra]

Cortez used a melee alpha, wich is NOT intended for an agent.
Cortez could die to a tl6 player with his HP and evades.
Cortez used a special gaming keyboard with combined actions bind to special keys. Not everyone has one.
STOP refering to some guy who, altho made a very good job killing his targets, gimped his toon just for ganks and used some weird keyboard...and also posted only his successes in those clips. Don't be fkin retards! Especially you Pifpoc. You have trolled every agent thread without even posessing the basic knowledge of the agent profession, not to mention agent behavior in pvp....
Fix The Shot or god damn make all other AI perks work like The Shot!