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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Sabar View Post
    NTs used to have this for fixers wearing GA. An "I win" nano. Couldn't even evac. It was never removed, fixers remained vulnerable to it until Shadowlands gave us something better than GA.
    Not really, all GA nukes do are hurt the fixer, like normal nukes do anyway, and disable long HoTs for a short while. They still have full offensive power, and shorter HoTs to rely on besides untouched evades. Why can't they evac exactly? Doesn't nothing to meep ability.
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  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Nanofox1 View Post
    Not really, all GA nukes do are hurt the fixer, like normal nukes do anyway, and disable long HoTs for a short while. They still have full offensive power, and shorter HoTs to rely on besides untouched evades. Why can't they evac exactly? Doesn't nothing to meep ability.
    If I remember correctly, it stuns the fixer. Not sure though.
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  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Nanofox1 View Post
    Not really, all GA nukes do are hurt the fixer, like normal nukes do anyway, and disable long HoTs for a short while. They still have full offensive power, and shorter HoTs to rely on besides untouched evades. Why can't they evac exactly? Doesn't nothing to meep ability.
    I looked up the nano in the DB and I couldn't find anything about what I was remembering. I was sure it disabled GA and evac, but I remembered it wrong. I was never actually hit by it, I avoided PvP back then, but the consensus among fixers was, we were already vulnerable to NTs when compared to other professions, and this made fixers even more vulnerable to NTs, which I think matches with what I said earlier. Funcom will improve the toolset to make you more capable at killing that which you're already good at killing
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  4. #44
    I guess if AO continued to develop like this, in the year 2087 it would basically be Rock Paper Scissor Online.

    Scissor wouldn't stand a chance against Rock but Paper still wants Scissor nerfed.
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  5. #45
    The GA nukes have a chance to stun for 1sec, no big deal. As long as you're paying attention you can always get away before the NT kills you with GA nukes. Nowhere near as debilitating as GTH is to docs and nt's.
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  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Nanotehnpoir View Post
    Because a lot of professions tend to have more NR than trader has nanoskills

    Not to mention if the trader isn't pre-drained...
    Yes and that NR should mean something. When a nano is instantly recastable then NR becomes useless because getting lucky and resisting it once means nothing when the guy just casts it again.

    I went through all the trouble to twink 1.9k NR on my doc at TL5 and it means nothing when a trader can just click click click very 1.5 sec for a chance at completely disabling me, I may as well reset NR. ALL hostile nanos have a reasonable recharge usually representative of the power of the nano(roots with 4-5sec, stuns with 9sec, etc) so in the event that I do resist something, I have a few seconds before the dice are rolled on me again.

    GTH is a ridiculously powerful nano and thus should have a very high NR check and recharge like Epsilon purge.....or perhaps UBT should have a 1sec recharge so I can just spam it on you until it lands.
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  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Rak View Post
    GTH is a ridiculously powerful nano and thus should have a very high NR check and recharge like Epsilon purge.....or perhaps UBT should have a 1sec recharge so I can just spam it on you until it lands.
    I'd rather not they heavily increase the NR check on GTH, I'd rather they give it balanced stats like Nanite NSD, only short (15s) duration AND a long recharge (10s), still 100% check though.
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  8. #48
    Very nice Post Wrangeline... I´m imperessed.


    When shielding came ingame everyone was whining and complaining about this. This (nano) combination is very powerfull but not that overpowered everyone talks about. Its a relatively good thing that it has a huge cooldown and a bad sideeffect.

    And GTH? Instacast, very short recharge, no drawback - even more, theres a bonus for the Trader. And on top of this you can exterminate 2 Profs completely with this. Even a GrandMasterNub could pwn the most skilled doc/nt with this nano, just like you said - it requires no skill after succesfull landing to win. But its even hard for "rootable" Meleeprofs too. Enfo w/o Mana (ähhh Nano ) won´t get out of roots. No chance for messing up skills.


    I don´t, no I can´t believe that this was intended by Sil and his fury Fellows.
    Make this Nanopowerfull, but add such a Backdraw like NBS/Triple - maybe in locking Drainskills for 30 Minutes or AS. Ever tried the combination of the Trader-NS and GTH? WTH is that possible? Then I want triple abled to used together with NS II.

    Do I hear some Traders whining now? Sorry bout that. Just read this suggestion, think about it and then you get a feeling of how we NT feel with our imba roxxor toolset.

    Best NanoEmptiedBecauseOffkingGTH Regards
    Dumonde
    Last edited by Dumonde; Aug 18th, 2007 at 21:32:18.
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  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Dumonde View Post
    Ever tried the combination of the Trader-NS and GTH? WTH is that possible? Then I want triple abled to used together with NS II.
    Trader-NS as you call it (Nanobot Defense) isnt even comparable to NS II. It lasts 15 seconds and cripples our nanopool to zero nano for 60 seconds( which means no drain, no healing (lol) no AAD buff, nuthing, nada) and it s the ONLY "defense" traders have.


    EDIT: Pre-GTH traders wouldnt even bother using Nanobot Defense except for unrooting themselves, because of the nano cripple that followed, rezzing in decon room was usually much faster. Having a nano delta coming from GTH even if crippled made slightly more sense to Nanobot Defense because IF the trader survived the attacker then the cripple wasnt so much of a nerf for 60 seconds. Nonetheless it s needless to say that neither it s a major improvement towards traders in terms of defense nor its fair towards docs and NTs who rely mostly on their nano.
    Last edited by Nisrok; Aug 18th, 2007 at 22:01:26.

  10. #50
    bump for wrangeline

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Nisrok View Post
    Trader-NS as you call it (Nanobot Defense) isnt even comparable to NS II. It lasts 15 seconds and cripples our nanopool to zero nano for 60 seconds( which means no drain, no healing (lol) no AAD buff, nuthing, nada) and it s the ONLY "defense" traders have.
    GTH + NBD...

    Events/Effects (GTH)
    OnUse:
    Hit Wearer 12 ticks at 5 seconds
    CurrentNano 750 - 750
    Modify Wearer
    NanoDelta 500

    and

    Events/Effects (Big Badass Backdraw called Nanobot Depletion after NBD)
    OnUse:
    Hit Wearer 3 ticks at 5 seconds
    CurrentNano -500 - -500
    Hit Wearer
    CurrentNano -50000 - -50000
    Hit Wearer
    CurrentNano -3000 - -3000
    Hit Wearer
    CurrentNano -3000 - -3000
    Hit Wearer
    CurrentNano -3000 - -3000
    Hit Wearer
    CurrentNano -3000 - -3000
    Hit Wearer
    CurrentNano -3000 - -3000

    Even a NT is able to continue nuking while under Nanobot depletion. Trader gets extra 500 ND, so tell me again...

    I didn´t say that NBD and NS II are comparable. It´s only because we are forced to wisely choice of what we gonna cast. If we cast any LE-Nuke then we can´t use OUR major defense for 30 (!) Minutes. In opposite, when we use NS II then we are unable to cast LE-Nukes for another fking 30 Minutes. Trader now don´t have any of such problems to deal with. They can spam GTH and hide behind their "major defense". This comes on top of the -500 and more drained skills + freaky Silverback AS. Everything w/o backdraw or something. And as the Masters of the "Nanobot Defense" Nanos, they are protected from Roots / Snare and allready existing Roots / Snares will be quickly removed. WTB that for NTs original Version.

    I only want to make clear that the gap between Trader and some Profs has become ridicolous. Soli, Doc, NT, Non-NR MA, Adv, in a way Enfos, Engis.... If GTH lands now (and it lands - from every 210 green boontrader, at first try), then say good night.

    Good night.
    Dumonde
    Last edited by Dumonde; Aug 20th, 2007 at 00:10:16.
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  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Dumonde View Post
    Even a NT is able to continue nuking while under Nanobot depletion. Trader gets extra 500 ND, so tell me again...
    Exactly what i was saying. My point is that without GTH then NDB becomes useless because of the nano depletion that forbids us to cast any single nano for 60 seconds, our nano delta not being high enough to cast something under depletion.
    So there goes our unique defense.

    I m not saying i find this nano awesome because i dont. Sure helps a bit to stand slightly longer on the battlefield. I would have much prefered a real defensive perk or nano rather than having to cripple either NTs or docs to have a chance to survive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dumonde View Post
    Trader now don´t have any of such problems to deal with. They can spam GTH and hide behind their "major defense". This comes on top of the -500 and more drained skills + freaky Silverback AS. Everything w/o backdraw or something. And as the Masters of the "Nanobot Defense" Nanos, they are protected from Roots / Snare and allready existing Roots / Snares will be quickly removed.
    Seems pretty easy the way you describe it but i can promise you it isnt that simple, or traders wouldnt be asking for some luv

    Quote Originally Posted by Dumonde View Post
    Soli, Doc, NT, Non-NR MA, Adv, in a way Enfos, Engis.... If GTH lands now (and it lands - from every 210 green boontrader, at first try), then say good night.
    I dont care bout enfos they got SnD
    Last edited by Nisrok; Aug 20th, 2007 at 03:01:27.

  13. #53
    bump for tweak this nano
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    You hit Nirvelle with nanobots for 7110365 points of radiation damage.
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  14. #54
    I'm against anything in the game that removes a character's ability to play. Therefore GTH is stupid. These types of 'extreme' nanos should be left on the designer's garbagebin.
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  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Nisrok View Post
    I dont care bout enfos they got SnD
    How will they reach ya with SnD when they´re nanodrained and unable to remove ET/FoT ? I am no Enfo-specialist, but do they have so many chances to get out of this root w/o rage? Except free movent or so
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  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Dumonde View Post
    How will they reach ya with SnD when they´re nanodrained and unable to remove ET/FoT ? I am no Enfo-specialist, but do they have so many chances to get out of this root w/o rage? Except free movent or so
    ...there is a step by step instruction in the video I just posted how to do that, suggest you watch it.

  17. #57
    Bump.. As I play a doc in the BS, when hit by this nano I can only run away and hide untill the effect is gone. (roots usually make sure I dont tho...)
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  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Tsun View Post
    As ive started playing my NT again a lot, this GTH has irritated me considerably. Ive considered making a post about it myself but i tend to explain myself poorly.

    Wrangline, ur post is great. My main problem with the nano is that it lasts too long. As an NT, i tend to try and bail as soon as this nano lands on me, since the toon is all but unplayable. Moving is about the only functional thing left to do. Its my opinion that in this time its the traders oppurtunity to take me down.

    As you rightly stated, at this time GTH cannot be removed with virus scanners. This leaves me in a situation where i may aswell get up and go afk from the computer whilst it runs out. Maybe take a bio or make a coffee. That just aint right 0.o

    Id considered suggesting a time nerf, but as you so eloquently put it, in a fight, it wouldnt matter as it would just be recast.

    So the final word for me is as you suggested. Make virus scanners work against GTH, and imho - the nano will be fine, traders need some lovin and this nano gives them a chance to kill some hard ass profs, and i wont need to go find something else to do everytime i have this cast on me.
    Tsun, i think FC want see died NT more often. Look - new spec absorb item, GTH, Notum Overload, nanopool wipe in Nanobot guard - all this effects remove if NT died.

    Canon must be glass!
    FC "demonic loud" somewhere

    But need compensation as TOTAL DESTROY abilities if continue this policy. More out of battle - more kill abilities. Thats balance. Sorry, but with new +NanoDmg items good only for PvM (with full AddNanoDmg equip, NT very bad DD in team) and this is not compensation GTH. Solds get D-shark as compensation piercing nuke and reflect stiling. WTB compensation good for PvP!
    The Clan Messiah statement
    You hit Nirvelle with nanobots for 7110365 points of radiation damage.
    Alternity: I never initiated a serious dialog

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  19. #59
    So the higher my Psychic the more nanodrain this thing does? (i.e. a 2 sec tick at -1800 nano vs. a 4 or 8 second tick at the same) Even if they make it so it can't go negative I don't see why a person who put the work into getting a better nano delta tick should be nano-nuked harder (or more often) for their effort.

    It definately deserves to be at least as resistable as NSD, with a comparable casting/recast time.

  20. #60
    level lock caster/target to tl7... only change needed imo
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