Tank vs Cloak

[____________Ejeckted]

Q200 Hanshi Primus Decus Armor Coat

PoisonAC by 875
ChemicalAC by 625
FireAC by 875
ColdAC by 875
MeleeAC by 1000
EnergyAC by 1000
ProjectileAC by 1000
RadiationAC by 250

no negative effects.


Q200 High-Quality Heavy Tank Armor

FireAC by 875
EnergyAC by 1000
ProjectileAC by 1000
MeleeAC by 1000
PoisonAC by 250
ColdAC by 750
ChemicalAC by 250
RadiationAC by 250

NPCostModifier to 100
RunSpeed by -50
Duck by -50
Dodge by -50
Evade by -50


anybody else see a balance issue here?

why does a coat provide better AC and have no negative effects,
when inferior tank armor doubles nano cost and lowers evades and runspeed?

[skybert]

Tank armour will be better, when tradeskills can be applied to them. Besides, they look alot cooler!

[__________WGMelchior]

When tradeskills can be applied to them? Sounds interesting. Care to explain?

[_________CaptFallout]

No, that previous guy is just talking out of his ass.

FC hasn't even hinted that upgrading items will be coming ANY TIME soon. Why?

They took out primers because "the database doesn't support upgradable items", and now they seem they want to put this back in...

I'm guess Summer 2002... hmmm.

Summer 2002: AOs last months. So many other games are coming out that AO needs a lot to survive through that period and I don't think FC has the ability to do that.

[Downsizr]

As it is now Tank has proven to be obsolete.

[_____________ryu1313]

Quote from above post....

Summer 2002: AOs last months. So many other games are coming out that AO needs a lot to survive through that period and I don't think FC has the ability to do that
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That pretty much somes it up....blizzards WorldOfWarcraft comes out at the end of the year or early 2003 which definitially won't help funcom any.

[_______________Chill]

Easy fix :
Ql200 tank armor = 2000 to all ACs keeping the current penalties (10AC/QL).
QL200 battlesuit = 8000 to all ACs keeping the current penalties (40AC/QL).

Don't tell me it's hard to change (program) that.

[_____________Cloudeh]

hmmm switching armour during pvp.

Tank to take dmg, coat to be safe doing nanos.

Run out of NANO...TANK ARMOR ON, TANK MODE AAGHH!

[______________Yazule]

Originally posted by CaptFallout
No, that previous guy is just talking out of his ass.

FC hasn't even hinted that upgrading items will be coming ANY TIME soon. Why?

They took out primers because "the database doesn't support upgradable items", and now they seem they want to put this back in...

I'm guess Summer 2002... hmmm.

Summer 2002: AOs last months. So many other games are coming out that AO needs a lot to survive through that period and I don't think FC has the ability to do that.

well cos did DID say that they will make players able to modify tank armor to be more usefull (less poopy). I am going to bed, if you insist I will find the link tomorrow, he said this less than 2 weeks ago.

[____________Ejeckted]

he's right

Cosmik (i think it was Cosmik)
did say that they were planning some sort of tradeskill
modification to tank to lessen the penalites.

the problem is,
unless tank armor also gets a major AC boost during this mod,
it will still be inferior to coats.

"oh, so now, for the priviledge of wearing inferior armor
i am only suffering 1.5x nanocost instead of double?
oh .. errr.. umm.. thank you .. ?
i'll run right out and find an engineer with the necessary
800 skill in quantum physics.. right after i get the special
modification item from the boss mob in a dungeon who
only spawns every 4 hours. . .

. . err . . actually .. i think i'll just slip this nice coat back on."

lol.

[___________fancycrat]

i woulnt mind the evades and run speed hit, but the nano delta is excessive....

and senpai is sooooo ugly and tank is sooo cool

[____________Ejeckted]

I've always felt that all back-slot armor needs to have a penalty.
why have all these cool types of armor if all you'll ever see is
a coat and a helmet? nano-bodys look especially awesome.

if i was in charge of a mmorpg my mantra would be
that every single decision you give a player must have
both pros and cons.

want the extra AC of tank armor?
ok. -100 evades and -50 runspeed.
(forget the stupid nanodelta idea)

want the extra AC of a nano cloak?
ok. -2 nanopool per QL. (QL200 would = -400 nanopool)

want the extra AC of a decus coat?
hmm. . what do we give these?
maybe a -5 to all nanoskills?
or perhaps -10 sense, -10 intelligence, and -10 psychic?
something small, yet something that
would make you stop to weigh the choice.


nice move on the new backpacks with modifiers idea tho,
however ill have to wait and see what kind of modifiers
before saying if it's enough to warrant sacrificing AC for.
(and investing IP in adventuring for)

[____________Meskulan]

world of warcraft aint coming out until 2004. they just started working on it 15 months ago(statement from a dev)

[_____________Barakon]

I don't think I ever saw Blizzard release a game on time.

[__________Daemonicus]

Funcom basically pulled the cloak out of thier ass without thinking. Just like they were not thinking when they nerfed the NTs.

What they shouldve done was implement coats which have NO penalties (there not called 'cloaks') and raised the Tank armor AC.

But no.. they made coats to the exact same proficiency as Tanks armor.. but with no effects. Blindly not seeing that this would wipe out the use of tank armor for months.

You would think that a huge piece of metal would protect you more than a orange jacket with designs :\

[Alienchild]

eh, "World of Worldcraft comes out late 2002, early 2003"??? We are talking about Blizzard here. I'll behappy to try out WoWC - when it comes out in say... 2004-2005?

[____________Ejeckted]

Originally posted by Scumbug

nice move on the new backpacks with modifiers idea tho,
however ill have to wait and see what kind of modifiers
before saying if it's enough to warrant sacrificing AC for.
(and investing IP in adventuring for)

ok.. saw the mods on the new backpacks..
and it's definately not enough for anyone
to invest the IP to wear.. : /

nice idea.
and they'll still be good for organization..
but.. c'mon .. seriously ..
why even bother with the mods if you're not going
to weigh them against the AC of coats/tank?

pro vs con .. . give vs take . . . advantage vs sacrifice . .

when you create items,
put yourself in the position of a player,
and if you're not torn between whether to use
the item or not, then keep tweaking until it
is a difficult choice .. . then you have achieved balance.

lowlight scopes are a good example of this;
increased chance to crit vs. slower attack speed.
perfect.

players should always have to choose between
advantages and penalties *and* alternative options.

backpack? or coat? or tank-armor? should be a tough choice to make.


you have implemented other things that come close to this concept,
but then miss the target

example:
Cortex of the Executioner
The brain stem of a cold-hearted executioner.
To Wear Level 36
To Wear Sense 109
To Wear Agility 109
To Wear Treatment 228
Wear Modify CriticalIncrease by 1 On Wearer
Wear Modify SneakAttack by 10 On Wearer
Wear Modify AimedShot by 10 On Wearer

the position of this item is 'Head'.
when I picked it up a was strongly considering
sacrificing the AC of a helmet for the bonuses
of this item. .. (would also be nice to be one of
the few players with a visible face)
. .until i discovered that it actually goes in the
*head implant slot* .. doh! nevermind.
it's now rubbish.

understand what i mean?
you devs are making us players crazy with
all these badly implemented great ideas.

[_____________Cloudeh]

Get ready for a cloak nerf or a tank maker better :/
Tanks should be only able to be worn by the hit takers..
I mean...
I wont make sense to make both of them the same stats, remove nano cost etc, it will just be for looks, I dunno...this game i weird.

Nano armour or elites?
Why not wear mixed youll still have the same ac in the end!
:/

[__________BrutalThug]

i cant wait until we all wear

ql200 pink "barbie" flowers armor
ql200 primus blue bathrobe
ql200 waltzing queen/E-beamer guns

what a party !!!