Grid camping

[______________hobbes]

Congrats Funcom! During your entire run with this game you have not done a thing about the ****ing grid campers. In a plane I was dead before I could move. You ****ing grid campers get rewarded for doing ****. I get nothing for working missions. Those token are worthless ****.

Could you attempt to ****ing fix the grid camping. There is legit PvP, but 5 attackers sitting for me to zone in, and still being about to kill me before I can move is ****!

**** you, to the grid campers. Yes, I am pissed, that's why they have those "*"s to censor me.

[Grupert]

Simple solution, don't grid/wompa into a 25% zone. Since you have a plane, go another way.
Grupert

[______________hobbes]

You have missed the point. Grid camping is an exploit. Got it, cheating.

[celestiness]

Grid camping is not an exploit. It used to be an exploit. Now with the 15 sec rule its not exploiting to hang around the grid and gank people. Casting nanos on someone before the 15 sec is up to start an attack early IS an exploit. Attacking someone in a plane is NOT an exploit. I got that confirmed by 2 GMs.

I have said it before..and I'll say it again. If you are going to go to 2ho for teaming/missions...dont take whopa or grid. Grid to 4 holes and take the ferry there to 2ho. just a short flight or even a short car ride. If you feel you must grid to 2ho..never do it in a vehicle..and never do it unbuffed. Always run right away to the north bunkers AS SOON as you are zoned in...that way..if u get attacked you are half way to safety.

Taking the whompa is semi safe..you can just whompa back out.

There is a bug with the 15 secs that sometimes you have time left..and they can still attack. that is a timing bug with their server vs your computer.

Is grid camping right? probably not...but I feel that if you are dumb enought to grid to 2ho and I'm there..im gonna attack. The one time I let someone go through in a plane..he came back after flying off a short distance..rooted me/debuffed me and killed me. I learned my lesson.

What is an exploit is teaming if you are over lvl 75 with a lower lvl toon to attack another lower lvl toon. Like when positiva and wollibolli the other day teamed with 2 lvl 65ish omni who couldnt seem to kill my trader even both of them. So they got positiva and wollibolli to team with them and camp me at the north bunkers. I zoned out not expecting that and bam...rooted and 3 aimed shots of 991 by wollibolli (im only lvl 74). THAT IS AN EXPLOIT.

[______________hobbes]

Grid camping was NEVER part of the game. Shut up loser and earn something. You are exploiting. The 15 sec rule does not work, you know it, I now know it. Only a loser grid camps.

**** you all!!!

[celestiness]

dude..slow down and stop with the insults. its just a game. How is it not part of the game? and the 15 sec rule works for me. plus..i wait for them to move so i know they are zoned in. hit q and i can either attack..or i cant yet. and i can only think of 2 times that i was attacked before my 15 secs were up. and that was the one exploit i mentioned. and i did earn my title thank you very much. from killing whoever i can kill where ever i can kill them. and you know what..ive been killed plenty of times too.
so why not just take my advice i posted above? works for me and anyone else i know smart enough to use the ferry when they dont wanna pvp.

[__________NicholaSix]

LOL Hobbes is always a man on the edge. Celest didn't even insult you fool. All he said is it wasn't an exploit. It's not. It sucks. It's lame. It's boring if you are clan or omni. But it's not an exploit.

Celest spelled out for you how it can be an exploit. He also spelled out for you how you may think you have been exploited when you haven't.

Grid camping comes from a lot of factors in the game. The main is that the whole world isn't a PVP zone. Since there are only 2 places to PVP that are populated on RK 1 an 2 that aren't Arenas, it is natural to expect people to wait around the egresses for some action. If the zones were filled with action this wouldn't be the case. If all zones were pvp zones, again there would be less grid camping because more areas were combat zones.

Celest, today i saw an agent 67 attacked by a team of 40-57s with one 106 in the group. wonder how that worked. I know the agent didn't start combat, he told me, do you think the average level of the whole team was in the range of his level? I know you are saying you attacked, but I'm curious how these guys worked this. Let me know if you have any ideas.

[celestiness]

well i petitioned it. even had an ARK come and watch for bit when i went back to 2ho and wolli was still there. killed an MP (best fight i have had yet) but wolli probably learned his lesson.dont know.

ill give u the rundown on what happened. i was the ONLY clan there atm. and several of the usual DC high lvls were there. i grid in and a lvl 80ish doc attacks. we go through the rounds of me almost killing her and the DC healing her back up so i gave up and headed to the north bunkers. omw back a lvl 69 trader attacks me..then a lvl 65ish MA attacks. I zone cuz i cant fight 2 at the same time. we played the zone game for a bit and i was even doin good against both at one time when they both zoned. so i go zone to heal and sit it out for a bit.

when i come back out..the 2 60's were there and so was wolliboli and positiva. next thing i know is all 4 were attacking me. so i zoned back in fast before i died. petitioned. told positiva i petitioned hoping they would leave. put them all on ignore lol.

i zoned back out and bam positiva roots, wolli hits me for 971 dmg x3 and i was dead.

I believe the trader initiated the attack though. so i petitioned again cuz i was pissed off.

i log for a bit. come back and an ark sends me an offline msg saying that was allowed. So now im really pissed cuz i know its not. so i re-petition asking for a different ark. he comes and says he isnt sure but it seems fishy.

well i was smart..i took 4 screen shots of the text. emailed exploits. i get an email back telling me to send them the pix. sent them but that was late last night and now its a weekend so no answer yet.

I would love to see them get banned.

[______________Sredni]

lol, where else will you find pvp action but in 2h0 or mmd or the arena? And the only pvp action in 2h0 is by the grid exit so anyone going through the grid there should expect to get hit. And let me ask, if you lost xp arn't you heading from outside 2h0 (in stret east itself) into 2h0 to then grid out? And if that's the case how did you get grid camped? If you had unsaved xp why on earth were you gridding into 2h0 in the first place? doesn't that just kinda make it your own damn fault?

And I'll weigh in on the grid camping exploit issue too. It ain't. (unless the one specific exploit to get around the 15 sec time is used of course)

Oh and celest, I don't really consider teaming and being able to attack someone outside your normal level range an exploit either. I mean funcom put it there for some reason, so it must be allowd. If I was a lvl 65 and was fighting a lvl 74 (stopped at that moment so they don't have to deal with high lvl players no doubt) and I couldn't win I'd go find a higher level buddy to team with who could kill em for me. Seems like a fair tactic in our little war. If funcom doens't want to alow it and actually does consider it an exploit then jebus, shouldn't that ability be removed from the game? I mean it's been there forever hasn't it?

[__________NicholaSix]

Hmm seems like you got the same deal synoptic got tonight. I was just observing, there was a team of 40-55, 4 and one 106 enforcer and a level 14 NT. they attacked synoptic, killed him, then they also killed a level 10 enforcer... wondering how this works. I'm guessing it has no effect on your title, but I've seen a lot of this recently. Personally, seeing a 106 enforcer taking a swing at a 10 enforcer seems a little fishy to me.

I should have taken screens too. This kind of BS ruins PVP for noobs.

Another exploit that was used on me today, an engy would follow me through a zone after agging me, spaming the attack cmd, about 1 out of 3 times his bot would attack me in 75% gas after the zone. Not sure how this happens, and it was easy enough to zone back to the 25, squat and heal, then zone back to 75.

[celestiness]

supposidly it is an exploit. i know 2 friends who were warned from doing the same thing. personally i think its weak. already had 2 toons on me...who attacked me first (not like i grid camped them and they came back for revenge). there is a lvl 75 pvp cap for a reason. if u can just team then why have the lvl cap at all. personnally i think the lvl cap should be the same above lvl 75 and below. you should have to be inside a certain range to attack. maybe at lvl 130 there cold be a pvp lvl cap. least u stand a fighting chance.

i would say it would be different if i was teamed with some high lvlers also and we were all fighting at the same time but i was solo.

my MA has never teamed with a lowbie to kill an omni lowbie. even though i get tells at 2ho to do that sometimes i refuse.

well...if i get an email back from the exploits team at funcom ill post it here and hopefully it will be answered one way or another.

[______________hobbes]

Let me just be a man and apologize to those of you on this thread (particularly celestiness). I was irate yesterday and may have used emotion rather than logic in forming my responses

Whether grid camping is an exploit or not, I will not discuss that, but it definitely is THE most dissatifiying way to die, period. To grid in, be attacked by four people and die before your vision is clear does not seem to be in the spirit of the game.

I do not approve of it, the attackers shoulder no risk and therefore should reap no reward. I cannot imagine that Funcom designers envisioned this scenario as a neat addition to their game.

In my case yesterday, I lost nothing but time. I was running along, doing my thing, then "GANK",dead. Left me feeling a little empty, cheated. So I came here to vent.

Anyway, it IS just a game. I will just adapt my playstyle to maximize my fun. Good hunting (unless it's me).

Hobbes

PS: To Ultra, I am not a fool, I just ACT like one sometimes.

[Deskclerk]

Originally posted by celestiness

What is an exploit is teaming if you are over lvl 75 with a lower lvl toon to attack another lower lvl toon. Like when positiva and wollibolli the other day teamed with 2 lvl 65ish omni who couldnt seem to kill my trader even both of them. So they got positiva and wollibolli to team with them and camp me at the north bunkers. I zoned out not expecting that and bam...rooted and 3 aimed shots of 991 by wollibolli (im only lvl 74). THAT IS AN EXPLOIT.

i have thier conversation logged clest form when my spy was sitting in 2ho

i have the log i will send it to u if u want.

they plainly say who and why they are teemed with the lowbie

i am sure you will enjoy the log

[__________NicholaSix]

Besheeba send that log to exploits@ananrchy-online.com

I've witnessed this happen 2 times yesterday, once for a 100 enforcer to attack a 10 enforcer.

Also today one of my 51 noobs was ganked by a 125 enforcer. Seems if somone in their party is in your range and can cast a root they can exploit and inintiate attack.

This bad stuff, will turn a lot of people off to PVP and I've been seeing it happen for 2 days straight now.

[____________Arterous]

You guys realize that say a level 200 character teams with a level 25 character, that level 25 character CANNOT initiate combat with people his or her level? Unless its within the range of the higher level character, they can't attack. I have helped escort guild mates this way, thru 2ho. So, it's not as if I could run around 2ho or MMD just killing level 25 characters just because I'm teamed with one.

[______________Yazule]

Originally posted by hobbes
Grid camping was NEVER part of the game. Shut up loser and earn something. You are exploiting. The 15 sec rule does not work, you know it, I now know it. Only a loser grid camps.

**** you all!!!

sounds like your making lots of friends

seeings how you say **** you all, and I am part of all the people that play the game then I personally take offense

/flip

go away if your gonna act this way.

[celestiness]

yes besh i would like that log. i need to learn how to do that also. ill give you my email adress ingame on monday when i get home from work.

oh..and apology excepted. didnt really take offense anyway lol.

i also hate dying from gettin camped or ganked by 5 or 6 peeps. but what comes around goes around. i actually never used to do it till i sat and watched DC do it over and over to clan. so i gave up on being fair and nice.

[__________NicholaSix]

Originally posted by Arterous
You guys realize that say a level 200 character teams with a level 25 character, that level 25 character CANNOT initiate combat with people his or her level? Unless its within the range of the higher level character, they can't attack. I have helped escort guild mates this way, thru 2ho. So, it's not as if I could run around 2ho or MMD just killing level 25 characters just because I'm teamed with one.

People have been using a bug for the past few days that does exactly that, lets people, say level 100 initiate combat with level 10 people. It's not like it costs the people who die anything, it won't effect their title, since the other group is teamed, but it's annoying, and it will chase people away from PVP who would otherwise participate in it. I'd like to see exploits like this fixed, so we can get more people PVPing not less.

[______________hobbes]

Yaz,

Please do your homework before you flame. The "bleep you all " was specifically directed at grid campers. If that is what you do, then, yes you were included. But did you notice that I extend the olive branch in a later post as the heat of the moment wore off. I have not changed my opinion, but have become more civil in my expression.

I explained that it is not in the spirit of the game and other posters here have shown how it can be an exploit.

You are 0/2 in the homework department. In one of my others threads(enforcers go on strike) you called us all whiners not reading the thread and realizing it was all a joke.

Take care,
Hobbes

[_____________Cloudeh]

For I am the master of this Realm I shall choose what is wrong and right.


Grid Camping is = Legitimate
Killing people due to the PVP timing bug = Illegal or "Wrong"


Simple.
No need for long posts.


Until they fix it so the timer is longer, or make it so you cannot be attack till you move which makes more sence.



My idea is...

If you move you are open to attack or.
If you move the timer starts giving you a chance.

Either way, it makes it fair for everyone.
Even the people who get killed boefre they even load properly.