Remember this this thread:
Diciple092 Colamonster Cronost Dagringo Vanhode Dralrias: still dont know what droped
That was just a rehash of this thread:
Tarasque and Redemption...
Just to save some reading time it is the story of Redemption, how they KS'd Tara, leaving all else without anything. This is the Redemption of old and maybe they've changed. After all, everyone deserves a second chance.
So grats on the big promotion Disciple092 who now is the leader of Redemption. The same person of course who was involved in the kill stealing. Looks like they picked the right person.
I think Voorg before he left them had the best quote:
"...Red adopted a save themselves policy and sold the rest down the river. "
Remember now this thread recently posted by Patk9:
No Base-*ninjaing* Policy
Quoting Patk9:
"This is a thread to put guilds in agreement that after the 20 mins is up and it becomes free for all you do NOT retake the land because the opposing/conquering side was unable to in that amount of time.
Both Clan and Omni guilds are needed to join in on this agreement, base stealing is cheap and should not be tolerated.
Legion had a base stolen by clan and Lost Chapter had a base stolen by Obsidian Order due to bugs and shouldnt have to happen again.
Ranking officials from each of the major guilds and any other guilds should agree on this and to not do it. "
The response from the president of Redemption, Disciple092:
"I speak for Redemption,and we agree........."
I really didn't want to bring this to the public light, that is why I waited to post this. I was hoping that after Disciple092 was contacted by my org president Elektro this could have been settled. After all I read the response that was given above. I don't think Patk9 really thought it would only apply to the opposite side ninjaing, maybe he did, dunno. I can't really answer to that, only Patk9 really can. What I do know is that Redemption will ninja bases from other clan orgs. I know this because that is exactly what they did to my org, RK-Mafia, last Thursday night.
Here is how it went down.
Both sides have tower raiding channels. The purpose is to announce raids, and to receive aid from other orgs when bases are attacked. There was a base in Greater Tir that my org, RK-Mafia was going to attack. One hour before the attack we announced it within our own channel. 30 minutes before the suppression fields were going to 25 percent we asked people in other orgs to join us for the fight on the tower raiding channel. I myself announced on the channel exactly where the tower was including the coordinates as well as the QL of the towers.
Just as we were about to move out and get into position on the site came the message that Redemption had disabled the shields. Less than one minute later our lower level org Untouchables also disabled the shields. Some of us were on site, some of us, like myself were still at the main gathering point, waiting for our friends to come help us out. Many clanners came to help us out,, I say thank you to each of you.
Redemption was not one of these.
Instead, immediately after the battle they claimed the site was theirs. We were a bit in shock to be honest. A larger org which already held other higher level land, an org that RK-Mafia had fought for, died for and helped in both taking and defending Redemption bases was showing once again just how bad an org they really are.
After the tower fell, people on the tower raid channel agreed that the site was ours. Elektro had announced the raid, had asked for people and was the main organizer of the battle. People came to help us out not Redemption. Redemption never stated on the channel that they were going to attack or that the raid was theirs. Only after the battle did they make this weak claim. Many high levels were there at the base who were in Redemption. These were people who had access to the tower raiding channel. Had they said that they had intended to attack we would not have organized a raid, we would not have claimed the land.
It was a low QL base but it was better than what we had which is still nothing. Every time we fight we have PvP flags over our heads for 4 hours. This base was just right for us, in clan territory, the right QL base where many of players are now in level. Large enough for our members to fill up with towers. It would have made a good base for us.
After the 20 minutes expired after the battle, they instantly raised their tower up. Ninjaing the base, ignoring all the people on the tower raid channel. Now there was a dispute, one that I was hoping the president of Redemption, Disciple092 would straighten out. He talked to my president tonight and refused to hand the land over to us. Something about how it would look like he was "caving in" to us , most notably Tortureyou. Caving in? Or doing the right thing?
So now you have it, Redemption hasn't changed. They have only once again reinforced what Voorg said. Friends one day, only to stab you in the back the next. About the poorest excuse I heard about this was this from a high level Redemption member: "Funcom does not officially recognize that chat channel." Like we were going to petition on this land stealing? hehe, right...our only recourse is to expose what Redemption is all about.
Some may ask if they were on the channel and maybe they didn't hear the 30 minutes of chatter as we organized the raid. Yes, they were there after the tower went up there they were with their sole supporter Toolwoman exchanging grats. They knew we were coming, they used the force that we asked to come to our aid. I believe they use the channel to spy on bases to attack. If it's a smaller org they will show up and take it away.
That is Redemption.
I now have to ask if the other orgs who maintain and use that channel will recognize Redemption any longer and allow their presence there. If their aim is to listen in on attacks so they can show up first and then claim land I do not think they should be allowed.
Either way, I say to all of Redemption you have gained a chunk of land. But now I hope you find out just how much it has cost you. To all other clans I and players, I have to ask if you really want to be associated with such people who KS Tara? Who will spy on another clan's attack in order to steal the base? I have many friends in Redemption. I certainly do not mean to say all there are like this as I know there are some of the best people I have played with in Redemption. I ask these people I have known if this now, who I consider to be my friends, as well as those I do not know but do realize when honor has been trampled on, if this is something you also will endorse, just as your president has.
Now it is a done deal. The place is all yours Disciple092. To all other clan orgs, just remember what happened. They will do it with the backing of their president as well as some generals. There is no place for this in the game and there is no more aid that is going to be received from our org RK-Mafia towards most of Redemption's players. We are through with helping them out in Notum Wars. What is the saddest part is that there are so many good people in Redemption who may not even be fully aware of what happened. I am sorry to lump the good with the bad in Redemption. However, if that is the org you have chosen, you will have to live with what the name "Redemption" now means to many others including my org.
To other clanners as well as Redemption members, remember this incident, now that is over with. I know I will never forget it. This has made me feel just like Voorg, stunned, dismayed, and sick of a game I love for a period of time. I have levelled with many of you, been in orgs with you, given my players life in battles to you. Don't stay with them. I know there are good people there in Redemption, go find a better org. This one does not do you justice either. It is a word that will not be found in their dictionary. That's what RK-Mafia found out last thursday night and was reinforced by Disciple092 tonight.