hehe noonononononono bro, I was agreeing with you by making that joke! He said ga fixers weren't uber so I made the joke that everyone should roll MPs. Then I asked if anyone believed what I said about MPs being uber---bah, you get the point. hehe I was agreeing with ya thoughOriginally posted by Stromm
lol, what are you talking about? I was saying the poster i quoted was full of holes and saying one thing and doing another. not grid armor. Read it again.
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heh its like if you do a 200+ mission and you find two RM Felons, they gonna take like 30minutes to kill with a full team, because they keep CHing each other.
But i dont see whats wrong with a doc not dieing to 3 fixers actually, its not like it was 3 traders. 3 fixers = 3 burst that wont do 40% so with pnh/jobe there was few chance to kill him. And anyway the doc job is to heal, so the healing isnt more overpowered than someone armor you cant touch only with specials
And since he didnt kill any of you, theres really nothing wrong.
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Yea, and that's why virus scanners were introduced into the game, so a Doctor (and an MP, and a Trader, and an Agent..) can't <tab> debuff <tab> debuff <tab> debuff as effectively anymore.Originally posted by Marlamin
Doc's dont do dmg? *Cough* AS *Cough* The problem is that your Init Debuff is waaay to destructive it totally will rip apart a professions OFFENSIVE Abilities.
This game is not about 1 on 1 duels anymore.
edit: If you get init debuffed, you are not required to sit there and keep attacking the Doctor. Just like when I get divested, I am not forced to sit there attacking the Trader back. Its usually a good time to run and try to lose aggro to get rid of the debuffs with virus scanners. Where that becomes an issue is when Traders use roots to keep you from retreating, which Doctors don't have. So really, complaining about init debuffs crippling you is silly by comparison.
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I wasn't flaming you... I was using your post to illustrate the concept that so eludes Insida.Originally posted by Nothinman
heh.. as i recall we both hit you pretty hard off the bat with burst and Full auto.. i think we did some other tests too. but you did win quite easily..
its beside the point though.
and muergen not sure why your flaming me i know full well about the rock paper scissors routine.. i was just showing that it is possible to beat one as a soldier though its very tough.
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I know that, my suggestion would entail an anti-debuff stim being introduced into the game (stims can be used whilst aggroed). If the doctor with one buff can force any opponent to flee the scene in order to loose aggro and use a virus scan, the doc win by default.Originally posted by Jynne
Virus scanners remove init debuffs in two to three uses.
The mechanics and tactics of mass pvp favor long range weapons with fast recycling specials, especially aimed shot, actually.
As to weapons favoured by game mechanics I know that fast recycling specials is key, being a smurf myself. My post was in a reply where some docs reasoned that anyone debuffed had a "quick fix" by changing from slow to fast weapons.
But enough of this trench warfare, I hate the direction such discussions are inevitably drawn towards. Doctors are GREAT pvp'rs and I am happy for you. However, FC still has a lot of profession ballancing to do, and for awhile I thought they were on the right track, but certain recent changes has left me in doubt FC will ever get it right.
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ohhh!!Originally posted by THEDEACON!
hehe noonononononono bro, I was agreeing with you by making that joke! He said ga fixers weren't uber so I made the joke that everyone should roll MPs. Then I asked if anyone believed what I said about MPs being uber---bah, you get the point. hehe I was agreeing with ya though
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lol, crowd control!Originally posted by Seraphael
If the doctor with one buff can force any opponent to flee the scene in order to loose aggro and use a virus scan, the doc win by default.
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i dont understand your point, can 3 MAs take down 1 fixer in 5 minutes ?
paper / scissors / rock game balance that is slightly skewed against the melee folks right now.
i truly dont nderstand the whining about the vast minority of people against whom gridarmor isnt as godlike as the remaining majority of the population.
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Theres a lot professions that can prevent a doc from healing in mass battles:
NT: Crown of Frost
Crat: Stun
Trader: Debuff
MP: Debuff/NSD
Enf: Hit me baby
Soldier: Debuff
Doc: Init debuff
Agent: FP trader debuff / kill me
Those who can't:
Adv
Fixer
Ma
Engie
Well buuhuu if you dont have friends in the first list in a tower-war area then your doing something wrong.
Whenever I enter a pvp area those from the first list all try to debuff me, I often have to stay real behind in the friendly areas to prevent this.
Also; do you think I have time to CH a friend with a soldier/enf on my behind? Dont think so.
Insida... i have no problem understanding why u whine about doc's...
We heal ppl you try to kill, and we heal ourselff when u fight us...
We counter your insta-roots/snares and your insta-evac in battles with our initdebuff...this kills you... wopido....thats why u want us nerfed...
Well first I want to say that you are just whining like crazy here Insida. I've been in tons of pvp areas with you and you survive similar onslaughts.
That being said, most of us realize that heals are overpowered. The heals as they are now were meant to be in comparision with the damage being done before the damage cap. But if you half heals like you half damage heals will be underpowered. So hell, just leave them alone I guess. I'm not about to see how well these docs do in PvP if LE heals for 325-750.
However, to Pomy or Letah (I don't remember who said it), totally ridiculous to say docs aren't capable of doing good damage. What they will have is a lower attack rating, but easily doing good damage with any of the weapons that are pvp viable.
Still, I don't know about 3 vs. 1 situation. Maybe you guys were just unlucky?
"3 fixer cant take down 1 doc together in 5 minutes..."
LoL - well i can take down 3 fixers in 5 minutes ... :P
We have the lowest AR range of all professions. Maybe its 'good enough", it still the lowest!However, to Pomy or Letah (I don't remember who said it), totally ridiculous to say docs aren't capable of doing good damage. What they will have is a lower attack rating, but easily doing good damage with any of the weapons that are pvp viable.
Originally posted by Letah
We have the lowest AR range of all professions. Maybe its 'good enough", it still the lowest!
You have lower AR then a MP?
Either way that doesn't matter really, numbers mean nothing. I talk from fighting docs and fighting others as a doc. Thats how I know when docs on these boards say their heals are balanced cause of their poor dmg output, i know they are full of it.
Its in the same range as MP, Engie etc. aka Darkblue +4 and +3s and no weapon/ar buffs. You have pets/nukes though; I dont. Your best nuke is even comparable with the best NT nuke (not the new ones).Originally posted by Piercingevil
You have lower AR then a MP?
Either way that doesn't matter really, numbers mean nothing. I talk from fighting docs and fighting others as a doc. Thats how I know when docs on these boards say their heals are balanced cause of their poor dmg output, i know they are full of it.
I'm 100% sure an MP/Engie/Crat outdmges a doc. No diccussion about that. Our dots cant compare to the dmg done by your pets and nukes.
Erm? Go do some research then come back. Learn to use a ranged weapon with a couple of fast recycling specials; with it any profession stands a chance vs a SMURF...3 MAs would probably take down a non-GA fixer in seconds. The efficiency of fixers in pvp/pvm is largely dependant upon the rarest nano in game, without it a fixer rivals the efficiency of metas and pre engie love engies in pvp. Fixer is not synonymous with Grid Armour which in turn is not synonimous with invulnerability.Originally posted by Hollowbyte
i dont understand your point, can 3 MAs take down 1 fixer in 5 minutes ?
Perhaps; but what is skewed against an enforcer?Originally posted by Hollowbyte
paper / scissors / rock game balance that is slightly skewed against the melee folks right now.
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Ill repeat myself again ok? Why can a class be so dangerous, so hard to kill and so helpfull to other? Why all the other have more balanced weakness/strenght? All the support proffession are easy to kill but they are threat excpeted doctors. Leave the damn fixers alone for a second and get out of your shell. Not only you guys are very good debuffers (-1400init and -100 weaponskills) but you are also the best healers. Together theses two things are good but doctor are better tank than a TMS Soldiers or Enforcers in mass PvP. Dont mention the drains, dominate,NSD, Roots, stun because EVERYONE is affected by them, not only doctors.
Dunno, Mery had over 1100 attack rating with her PoP the other day. Outside buffed, yes, but still.. I'm pretty sure she would be more than capable of killing people with that.Originally posted by Julia
The problem with docs we can stay alive very long but we cant realy kill anything unless they stick for a fight.
Yes sure when i ini debuff fixer who using 3.5/3.5 weapon ofcource i will laugh at your damge. Change to mauser or something...
heh she got more attack rating than me...
Problem is you sarcifice your hots + dots + temphp + teamhp by doing that. Btw, pop is not a doc only weapon, so any MP, crat engie or whatever can have the same. it's a fact we have the lowest weaponskills together with a few other professions, so we will always be the worst dmg dealers unless a doc only gun sudenly would appear (not a chance).Originally posted by Coldstrike
Dunno, Mery had over 1100 attack rating with her PoP the other day. Outside buffed, yes, but still.. I'm pretty sure she would be more than capable of killing people with that.
Besides that; a doctor better not go to the frontline doing massive dmg if (s)he doesnt want to be debuffed/killed.
I find the comments about "you help others AND can heal well" funny, Thats what a doc is about!!. Our role. Our purpose. The reason I rolled a doc. Do you see me complaining about enf dmg? Naw, its THEIR purpose. They *hurt*, but I dont want it nerfed because they are supposed to hurt.
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