This'll be TONS o' Fun. We'll take the whompa and house rushing in 2h0 to a WHOLE NEW LEVEL!
This'll be TONS o' Fun. We'll take the whompa and house rushing in 2h0 to a WHOLE NEW LEVEL!
Ya, if you can use treatment kits while opponent stunned, stun will be a bit overpovered in hand of NT & MP.
Heck, i would say MP already a bit overpowered with they nanoshutdown - poblem here if your cant cast, you cant root/heal, if you cant root - you are dead against MP pets.
lets look at it this way
its like a nnao shut down that casters have been subject too for many months
its about time we will beable to debuff so to speak a weapon weilding class
as far as i know right now in the game there is no way to stop somone from shooting a wepon or debuff em so they would have to switch to a lower one
i get debuffed for 3 mins froma level 75 trade but i cant shut down a wepon class player for 4 secs?
pleeze this will bring some stability back to the catser professions and level they playing feild nicely
just because we as nt's have been forced to become way better in skill than the average player does not give you the right to say we should not have a basic attack that was in the games design form the get go but due to poor programming did not work.
just because there are a fw high level nt's that i believe would excel in pvp no matter what class they were doe snot mena the playing feild is atm level, this would give other lowr class nt's the chance to survive in pvp instead of being smashed every time they enter into pvp
guys.. stun already works for brawl and some melee weapons.
This is the first effective nano for a Crat in PVP...Since we cant use any of our class specialty's like charm...or mezz....Or roots and snares since everyone can break those in 1 second...Maybe we will finally get atleast one nano that gives us a second to attack ...Phear me I am the UBER ROOKIE CRAT...Oh never mind that won't happen....lol Anyone worried bout Crat owning PVP needs to splash his face with water
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Chain casting of stun nanos would make fighting a high level NT impossible. They should either raise the nanoAC to 190% or put a timer on them so they can only be used once a minute. I think the once a minute would be best, as it would give us NT's a chance to refresh our nano which got gimped with the dmg cap.
Heh.. can't wait to see the stun nanos in effect. To me they seem a bit overpowered, but it will be interesting to see their effect.
One question though.. is it possible to chain cast these stuns, or will you have at least time to pull of a full auto in between the stuns ? Can you use First Aid stims ?
And for the person saying that brawl has a stun effect, yes it is supposed to, but I have never been stunned by a brawl.
I have. Most recently a few nights ago by Bruise (lev143 enforcer).Originally posted by Magikha
And for the person saying that brawl has a stun effect, yes it is supposed to, but I have never been stunned by a brawl.
He was wielding a beam but I think it was the brawl that stunned me.
It even puts a little hostile-nano icon in your NCU
(just called 'stun' or stunned'').
Very short duration .. about 3 seconds .. couldnt move or shoot..
then it expired.. the nano-icon disappeared from my ncu ..
and I was back to normal.
annyoing when you're on the recieving end,
but whether dished out by a beam or by a nuke
i wouldnt call it overpowered; the duration is so
short that it would take 3x as long to cast as
it lasts and I'm not sure if it's just 'chance to stun'
(like brawl has) rather than 'gauranteed stun'.
basically it means you'll miss a shot/hit. that's all.
it's not long enough to even be considered an effective root.
Last edited by Ejeckted; Jan 27th, 2002 at 11:25:36.
When stunned youc an do nothing. Cannot cast. Cannot move, cannot Full auto, cant do anything.
Brawl occasionally stuns.
Now if I was a MA, and I stunned for 5 seconds with every punch, which also did damage... that would seem overpowered.
I have *NO PROBLEM* with stuns if say, the cast of the stun time is the EXACT duration of the stun. So whoever is doing the stunning can't actually do ddamage to what they are stunning - This makes buddies in pvp good. And pvM too.
But if that stun, has 1000 damage behind it, and can be chain casted, then thats a problem.
Or if you stun, and your buddies (in the form of pets) go nuts then thats a problem.
Nano shutdown should be 300% or some ridiculous NR (imho)
And Nukes like EC should have a *Chance* to stun (like brawl) and not stun every single time, which can let you nuke away while whoever is at the end will die 100% of the time and be unable to do anything.
I think stuns should be an attack roll.
For melee, your STR vs Opponent STA to determine if you get an additional stun in for normal hits, brawls.
For nano attacks, their Int v your PSY, or maybe Psy v Psy.
Thoughts?
Of course straight stuns should be for Nano skill v Nano resist. Pet classes should not get stuns if they work in pvp.
People People...
the solution to this is dead simple !
make a stun formula so that, when you cast it:
A. It drains the casters nano or the duration of the spell. at a HIGH rate. The spell would so not have a fixed duration, but be dependant on the amount of nano the person has. At a huge rate, that means that it would not last longer than the spell lasts now for a person with a 'normal amount of nano'
B. During the cast. the person cannot cast any other spells (duh) and cannot attack (well maybe with pets, but they would get what.. .a few seconds - the time it takes to get there).
C. The Target would be free after the nano is drained, but not only thatthe caster wil lfind himself very vulnerable after that cast. no nano left
The same would work very well fro root spells
... while I agree it would be fun and make NT's so much better I think it's bit too much.
Others have "stuns" yes, but they dont do damage same time or they dont last enough so you could rinse and repeat or they are not 100% sure ones like brawl which only last only 2-3 seconds.
I dont have problems for this nano occassionally stunning in PvP much like same chance as Brawl has now. I dont know what brawl stun is based on since I dont get stunned that often but perhaps this EC stun should be based on your NanoResist so that people would get reason to up that too...
Would give NT's something fun to play with while people catch up from their 100's nano resist much like Traders have had their fun while people up their Duck-Exp
Example, one of my chars has low 200 duck-exp. It never really put any points to it and it was hit in PvP 900, 900, 900 and that was from crappy shotgun. Basically he was critted every hit.
Same person hit my other char with maxed duck-exp and he got hit for 150's hits
Now if EC chance of stun would be based on NanoResist same would happen. People would be stunned ALOT at start but as time goes up, they would start raising NanoResist and it would balance it out. As said, I dont know what brawl is checked about so I cant say if that would be good % of stuns or not.
At the end I do wish to give NT's a damage nano that has nice secondary effect of stun CHANCE but it shouldnt be very high and by no means it should be automatical. Same could be said from MP and NT nanos that lower your nano skills. I think those should be possible to resist.
Zarch and bunch of other chars between 5 and 140
How much % total nano does it take +-, is it a very taxing nanospell nanopoll wise?
Make it so the caster can't sit heal/recharge while the target is stuned and if the stun takes a fair amount of nano i don't see a problem.
The thing is, many classes are still Broken, and each time they make a fix to one class the ones underpowered feel even more penalised, but i say let them have it, but make sure you fix the other classes soon enough.
If a MP makes a nano shutdown, no more nukes/stuns periode
if a trader makes a deprive no more big nukes/stuns
a soldier can probably take it with the MK on, and then alpha strike the moment the stun breaks, etc
I'm a fixer, our class is weak, everytime they fix other classes we get even weaker, i'm not going to say nerf, i want my share when the day comes, just fix all the classes ok... i'm so used to beeing the forgoten class it doesn't make a difference, just make sure its balanced among the working classes, don't compare it to the broken classes.
so no sit heal/recharge while stuning nd no low nano cost so you can stun for ever, and i say congrats, you'r class is one step closser to beeing fixed
Now what about Fixers!!!! :P
you're still enganged in combat,Originally posted by Hextorr
How much % total nano does it take +-, is it a very taxing nanospell nanopoll wise?
Make it so the caster can't sit heal/recharge while the target is stuned and if the stun takes a fair amount of nano i don't see a problem.
so the no sitting and using kits rule would not change.
honestly, a stun is so very short that this thread is
just a huge over-reaction. "Stuns will destroy PvP"
lol. the topic should be "Stuns will mildly inconvenience in PvP"
well i recently read a rumor that smgsI'm a fixer, our class is weak, everytime they fix other classes we get even weaker, i'm not going to say nerf, i want my share when the day comes, just fix all the classes ok... i'm so used to beeing the forgoten class it doesn't make a difference, just make sure its balanced among the working classes, don't compare it to the broken classes.
are getting some nice changes.
diff damage types + attack/recharge times
reversed so you'll be able to burst much
more frequently. (sorry, cant find the thread)
if true, that's a good start to fixing fixers,
since low damage is one of their main problems.
combine that with this black market thing
(assuming that becomes an important feature)
and grid armor (if you can find it)
and your emergency escape nanos
(that i wish more fixers i team with knew when to use)
and fixers start looking like a pretty good class . .
Last edited by Ejeckted; Jan 28th, 2002 at 12:31:17.
lol scumbug.
I have seen stuns allow any user to solo any mob in the game.
WHAT? ANY MOB IN THE GAME I SAY?
Yes. Any mob in the game. (Provided they dont chain resist it)
Or any player now.
Originally posted by MiKEBoND
lol scumbug.
I have seen stuns allow any user to solo any mob in the game.
WHAT? ANY MOB IN THE GAME I SAY?
Yes. Any mob in the game. (Provided they dont chain resist it)
Or any player now.
ok, MiKE, I think you're confused.
'Stun' is NOT the same thing as a 'Mez/Calm/Sleep' nano.
if you havent noticed already .. when MAs hit brawl they often stunn the target .. only thing is .. its broken aswell and will be fixed in this patch asfar as I see.4 second stun? OMFG. How utterly teh SUCK!
So MA's are just dead then. Great. Not that we werent already. Oh screw it. I'm flying to norway and kicking some ass. You better lock the doors. I'll show you first hand what a good solid kick in the nuts does to an opponent, and maybe you can bring that to the next dev meeting.
I guess. It lasts for 4 sec and has a 5 sec recharge. So no back to back is possible for that one.Originally posted by garpenlov
Supposedly Death's Gaze is a stun.
It also taunts and has a 150% resist.
Well I see PvP is still screwed.
i dont even want to here it from you besheba.
you knoiw what this guy does? if your in 2h0 (or any pvp place) and its clanned controller and your omni flying around hell fly up to you in his yalm and dequip and as soon as it dequips hell cast a root on you, dropping you to the ground where it takes 10 seconds for you to get out of your yalm and he and all his friends eat you alive.
him and garzu.
too nad none of you couldnt stand a chance dueling without any of your friends help or bending the rules.
If Nano Resist wasn't completely broken, this might not be the end of the world.
Nano Resist is Broken
Just in case you didn't know.
Very few put IP into it because it doesn't work. Kind of the same thing as B&E before. If it doesn't work, why invest in it? The chests got harder to pick, and I have points in B&E now. If Nano Resist actually worked, I'd be happy. Once upon a time when I was a L9 PvP twink, I maxed nano resist and implanted it. You know what? It doesn't do a damned thing when maxed and implanted. Haven't put a point in there since.
Last edited by Arinia; Jan 28th, 2002 at 23:51:57.
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