In regards to docs and others

[______canadian bacon]

"I'll remeber that next time i see you in pvp screaming for a heal. "

What do you mean by that? His point proves that healing your clanmates or fellow employees is the only purpose DOCTORS are supposed to serve in PvP. Your point is stupid.

I can see how MPs get mad when people scream "nerf" at them, because none of their power if seom a bug in the game. Funcom just "fixed" them first out of all the classes. But DOCTORS got uber from an oversight programmers made when changing the pvp code. THere is no "nerf" about it, its a fix to a problem they never intended to happen. So please shut up and stop defending your accidental "uberness". THere are plenty of skilled docs who use guns and pvp'd before the patch, if you want to be a good pvper then I suggest you take the fix like a man and go talk to one of those real docs who have always pvp'd and ask them for tips on how to fight without an unfair, unintentional advantage :>

- Whaambulance

[_________DaHumAn*!!!]

if a doctor still cant fight by lvl 150 then you did something very wrong =). having better combat skills does not effect your heal if you do the implants right at lower lvls. what it will really effect you are the buffes, hots, and dots. the req. for those nanos need different nano skills. as a combat doc you really only need to concentrate on bio meta, mat meta, and psyc modi(ini debuff) while docs who are more in the support style would max other nano skills as well and balance implants to use better hp buffes, hots, and dots. it's all matter of playing style. of course docs can fight. it's not how the proffession works but how you develope your character.

[Mekura]

I'm a doc. Currently I wield a tea pot on my left hand, and a coffee cup in my right (because it looks better than the cup of tea). The role-play implications of a doctor twinked beyond belief for combat are simply hideous. For some reason this really troubles some people. "How do you ever make any money?!" I blitz missions. I can run max diff missions without any trouble. Just got my yalm in fact at level 57.


Real doctors wield drinks.

[Mowatx]

Originally posted by whiteaw
"I'll remeber that next time i see you in pvp screaming for a heal. "

What do you mean by that? His point proves that healing your clanmates or fellow employees is the only purpose DOCTORS are supposed to serve in PvP. Your point is stupid.

I can see how MPs get mad when people scream "nerf" at them, because none of their power if seom a bug in the game. Funcom just "fixed" them first out of all the classes. But DOCTORS got uber from an oversight programmers made when changing the pvp code. THere is no "nerf" about it, its a fix to a problem they never intended to happen. So please shut up and stop defending your accidental "uberness". THere are plenty of skilled docs who use guns and pvp'd before the patch, if you want to be a good pvper then I suggest you take the fix like a man and go talk to one of those real docs who have always pvp'd and ask them for tips on how to fight without an unfair, unintentional advantage :>

- Whaambulance

White i'm going to assume you have pvp'd at least somewhat
and that your not a total moron even though your complete
attack on my proffesion proves to me you could care less about
a doc. I have no desire to see anybody nerfed period. I would
rather see enhancements added to the game that balance ..

You on the other hand seem to think that you have been wronged
in some way and want others brought down so that you can
regain your so called uberness. Doc's are NOT uber period.. yes
it takes much longer to kill us now than it did before. It requires
strategy and skill that was not required before. You might have
to debuff us to win imagine that. Believe me when i say that
a debuff for any caster seriously hinders us even with a backup
bar we are fliping back and forth for nano kits other things etc.
And guess what that takes time. For a roll based game that
shouldn't require a true real time fighting skills you sure have
to be quick and know what your doing if you get debuffed be it
pvm or pvp.

Now you have come here and attacked all healing classes for
the fact that you can't kill us now in less than 30 secs. I feel for
you I feel bad that your chars that you haven't mentioned are
no longer "uber" I hope in the future that you can get back your
uberness and live a long and happy life. But in the mean time
shutup and look at the docs before you attack them. Lets just
say that i'm a "support" char and that my whole goal in this game
is to heal my team and help others. Do you understand how
healing works(i assume you do but for others) heals are very
random roll based my current heal does 665-1244 healing. I
can cast this without any buffs just barely meaning i've got 1
more point in biometa than it requires. Which means if i have
the gen expertise running a measly -22 debuff nullifys my heal.
But regardless 665-1244 is a HUGE range .. i average about 900
heal and a 1k everyonce in awhile .. but i have yet to get into
a big fight that i didn't heal for 700. Nothing better than trying
to heal a tank that is getting hit for 1k every 1 sec and healing
him for 700 every 3 secs. Thats right .. I can only heal every 3
sec's and that's with 1000 nano init. Now all soloing pvp aside
how would you feel going into a battle as a team with a doc
assuming he doens't get wasted first thing(Which i garuntee
will happen everytime agains any team that knows what they
are doing) and some solider is hitting you for 1k fa/ 1k burst/
800 reg dmg and lo and behold your doc just threw you a 450
heal !!!. Absolutly freaking lovely isn't it.. and guess what the
solider just hit you again for 800 .. then again for 800 here comes
the big heal 600 !!!! the doc pulled it out he actually hit the top
of his heal damn too bad you complained and got him
nerfed cause your dead. All of this is assuming I live thru all the
other opposing forces nailing me .. and trying to stay alive as
long as I can so you can kill a few of them.

Why on earth would you want your "support" class nerfed FC
has made it very clear that this is a pvp game pvp is the goal
it's what will be the main focus. I've spent countless hours
and days lvling up my char so i can go out and support teams
in pvp not like they want to team cause they want the pvp points.
But if you have your way i have done nothing but lvl up my char
so i can go out and be cannon fodder/ bait. You will asure the
fact that i will never live more than 30 secs in any fight and give
you the chance to kill at least 1 of the guys that killed me and
then hope that you can kill the other 5 that are left without a
doc cause he is now dead.

You have insisted on nerfing us.. many others have joined in on
this so i fear the day that it comes. I for one will continue playing
my doc and adapt and find anothe way to survive cause i like
playing the support role. I finally got into pvp after about 125
when i could afford the ip to dump into a weapon. Both pvm and
pvp have becomre more enjoyable especially pvm cause after
125 a MA/Advent heals just as well as a doc does but also
does dmg therefore they are more wanted in a team. I sincerly
hope you read all of this and take a good long hard look at the
future effects of "nerfing" a healing profesion and what it will
cost you in the long run. Yes it may enable you to go to the arena.
and kill that lvl 20 doc now. Yes it may mean that the advent is
now killable in less than 1 min. It may mean that a ma is rootable
and kill able in like 20 secs. But what is the price you will pay for
taking away the only skill we have. The arena the 1 vs 1 is not
what this game is about it's about anarchy it's about clan vs omni
pvp it's about strategy based pvp in groups.

Take all this civially I tried not to flame even tho this goes to the
core of countless hours of work being wasted on my part if we
do get nerfed. As i read back i have been a bit harsh for that
i apologize but to change it would be alot of rewriting so i'll
just say sorry.

Also why do you see this as an oversight from the programers
did they communicate this directly to you. Do you have some
insight as to the development phase of this game. If you did
then why state it on the board if it is allready a known fact
and going to fix. I don't think any of us can assume to know the
intentions of the developers nor claim that right. I admit I've not
read all of Cz's posts in every forum but i don't remeber him
stating at anytime that there was an issue with healing and
that it would be halved feel free to correct me anybody if i'm
wrong. I hope that some of this post has sunk in and that folks
will take a step back and readdress there opionions on this issue
cause the long term ramifications of this going through will
drastically impact all professions.

Mowatx

[______canadian bacon]

"You have insisted on nerfing us.. many others have joined in on
this so i fear the day that it comes. "

Did you read my post? You were given this "power" by a BUG in one of the patches. Something the coders forgot to look at. I'm not saying nerf all your heals 50% I'm saying code it so while in combat with another PLAYER or while healing another player when he/she is in a pvp battle make the heal 50%. This doesn't hurt you at all as a support class, you can heal just fine doing missions and getting xp with a group. NOT A NERF - BUG FIX.

[Mowatx]

Originally posted by whiteaw
"You have insisted on nerfing us.. many others have joined in on
this so i fear the day that it comes. "

Did you read my post? You were given this "power" by a BUG in one of the patches. Something the coders forgot to look at. I'm not saying nerf all your heals 50% I'm saying code it so while in combat with another PLAYER or while healing another player when he/she is in a pvp battle make the heal 50%. This doesn't hurt you at all as a support class, you can heal just fine doing missions and getting xp with a group. NOT A NERF - BUG FIX.

Did you read my post ..

"Also why do you see this as an oversight from the programers
did they communicate this directly to you. Do you have some
insight as to the development phase of this game. If you did
then why state it on the board if it is allready a known fact
and going to fix."

How can you call this a BUG .. why do you insist on calling it a
power. And yes i understand that this is pvp related and again
i state it will hurt you WAY more than it will hurt me.

"NOT A NERF - BUG FIX." ... a bug is something that the
devlopers have claimed as a problem. This has yet to be
classified as a bug as no developer has stated as such. If
they have please provide proof. Until then what you are stating
is that you want us reduced in effectivness. That in many peoples
minds is a nerf.

[Mowatx]

Originally posted by whiteaw
"This doesn't hurt you at all as a support class, you can heal just fine doing missions and getting xp with a group.

I'm sincerly sorry that you think that we should go play in
the backyard while the rest of the big boys are out fighting
the battles. And that we shouldn't be on the front lines
helping out. I personally don't have the time to dedicate to
supplying the game with multiple chars in order to participate
in the storyline and the war. I guess maybe i should have but
then I also figured that folks would want a doc fighting beside
them. I guess your opinion is that you don't need a doc in pvp
and don't ever want to see them in pvp.

Mowatx

[______________DocNec]

Mowatx,
You can be my wingman anyday!

[______________Shikhi]

Yeah, please stop the doc *****ing. Damage was halved because of one shot kills. I think at this point healing is pretty fair, since it can actually keep you alive now. There aren't many docs who can heal themselves from 1hp to full in 1 heal (w/o complete healing, which is useless in pvp anyway), while before the 'nerf' you could easily do full to 1hp with an alpha strike, or any special really. I still get AS'ed for over 2k even halved

The damage was halved because it was ridiculous. The healing isn't.

If you can't kill docs then sorry, pick on another class. It's really not the end of the world. I still see docs dying every day. Maybe you just suck.

[_______________Garzu]

All I am saying is the following: I CANNOT nuke for more damage than a Doc can heal for. This means I run empty of nano pool, while the Doc still got full health... It is not supposed to be like that. I want same rules for dmg as for heals, if this means 100% dmg again, im happy, if this means 50% heals, well, it is not the solution I want, BECAUSE my nano pool will still be effectively 50% of what it is in PvE, but it would be better than the current situation... I Loose 100% of all the fights I have against docs. I have NEVER won a fight against a doc after dmg nerf.

The dmg nerf was a quick fix to all the instakill whining, which of course I agreed to, but personally i think it would be enough with the 40% cap.

DoTs is an exception from the 40% cap, this means when I get Init debuffed, I get to nuke one time, the doc stacks 2 Dots (Which runs till im dead) i get to nuke one more time.... tehn im dead, NO chance AT ALL.

[_______________Fryli]

Why don't u NT's add in the "gun" in this math?
The posibility to use almost the same "gun" that every other profession out there can use? That add great dmg inbetween your nukes? Besheba killed me at the arena the other day with 4 nice crits with her gun while we tested the #stun#!

Lets say we lock the nt's posibility tu use a gun and up ur dmg on dd's would u agree to that?

[_______________Garzu]

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Can we agree we take away the weapons from docs then? Didnt think so, we dont have the best nukes in the game, thats the problem. NTs should have the best nukes, is that unacceptable?

If you got critted 4 times, then raise your evades, or if you got maxed evades, you can crit for same too, and still outheal our nukes... you got the upper hand no matter what, in addition, you got a -1450 init debuff, making it so you hit 3 times by the time she hits one.

Are you saying you were stunned all the time while she critted you?

[_________DaHumAn*!!!]

i think what fryil is trying to say is you should try to use a gun in combo with ur nanos and you'd have a good chance to beat down others =).

[_______________Garzu]

I am using a QL 200 Gamma-Beamer...

[_________DaHumAn*!!!]

use a nova flow

[_______________Garzu]

nah, Flashpoint

[______________Shikhi]

So basically there is now a class you find hard to kill so you want them nerfed rather than develop a strategy to beat them?

Just checking.

BTW, ever heard of stand up nanostims?

[_______________Garzu]

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[______________Shikhi]

Thank God you finally shut up.

[_________DaHumAn*!!!]

i see this 1 nt with laser which is pretty good too the slow recharge time and shoot time kinda gets into a combo while u cast nanos.