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Thread: Omni VS. Clans- Is Peace a Reality?

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    Omni VS. Clans- Is Peace a Reality?

    Ive never been one to promote a peaceful end to the war, but after a few recent happenings in my life, my personal beliefs have been changed a great deal. I was at Rompas talking to my good friend Hans "Deuscloud" Zanter when a group of clans walked right past us and made them selves comfortable in the adjacent booth, a seemingly crazy Omni welcomed them with open arms and began talking with them about peace, "What a traitor" I thought. It got to the point when this Omni was just making me sick, he was to the point of sucking up to them when I stepped in.

    A small conversation ensued, and Isobel "Ailish" Nottoris and I began talking, at first very hostile, but we soon ended up joking around with eachother. Damon "Derklaus" Ashwell joined us, a member of the CAS (An Organisation I have a personal vandetta with), and in a short time we have a fairly heated argument going, then suddenly we went off the subject and began talking about other issues, such as the ICC and the notorious leet, and for a split second, I forgot I was talking to my mortal enemies.

    It was getting late and I had to go, but this conversation had changed me in a way, it shows both OT and the clans do agree on somethings, and maybe, just maybe, there can be an end to this fighting....

    Later that evening, I came across something very interesting in the Omni-Tek databanks, although this happened over 50 years ago, its a brilliant example...

    May 19 29418 Sol Banking Corporation lands mechanised troops and war-machines on Rubi-Ka. Their objective is to seize control of Omni-Tek's notum operations. Omni-Tek receives unexpected help from the clans in the ensuing and drawn-out ground war.

    Well.. its not like ive gone soft or anything, i'd still shoot a clanner between the eyes anyday

    Andy French-

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    No, Peace is no reality nor will ever be do not forget all the harm the Clans have done us, Dont forget all the victims in the Appartment Complex that day.

    The clans will pay..
    Despite everything in the end I was a Fixer and I can say it was hell of a ride.

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    December 19 29475 An apartment complex in Omni-1 is levelled to the ground by an anti-matter explosion. The words "dust to dust" once more echo across Rubi-Ka, and for those who remember the last war, the tentative and long hoped-for peace now appears a lost cause.

    It's horrific events like this that end wishful thinking.
    Thanks for bringing me back to reality.

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    I have never been personally involved in the conflict, I'm a clanner mostly by birth, and I don't care where my teammates come from as long as they cover my back while I cover theirs.

    But I'll say this: the conflict won't end until one side voluntarily gives up their right to retaliate. Few people here even remember what the war is about. It's become an endless and senseless series of attacks and retaliations.

    I see no point in the war, but I'm not very hopeful about peace at this time either. Which is why I stay away from the populated areas of the planet as much as I can.
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    I remember very well what the War is about.. You rebels slaughtering Women and Childrens.. Omni gave us jobs, Omni gave us peace.. You took it away.

    Your nothing but killers and barbarians aslong as people like you Clanners exist, There will never be peace..
    Despite everything in the end I was a Fixer and I can say it was hell of a ride.

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    Well there you go. *shrug*

    Omni-Tek needs to realise that they can't own a planet, or ICC needs to realise that they need to explain this to Omni-Tek. Whatever comes more easily.

    In any case, I will oppose anyone who tries to tell me how, where, or with whom I should live my life, be it Mr. Ross or an over-zealous Counsil member.

    But I'm a clanner and will remain one until my death. Even though I don't see much of my home town Tir anymore, I'd eat a load of my Kerans rather than settle down in the depressingly oppressive atmosphere of Omni-1.

    You can have it.
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    My good Omni friends. It lightens my heart a little that such a hardened Omni soldier can come to realize that not all Clanners are bad. And to those who would say that peace can not be a reality. I say that reality is what you make it. You must be the change you want to see. If you want peace it will be yours. But you must first be able to open your mind long enough to see that we are not all the same.

    Granted the 'Dust Brigade'(DB) has committed horrible atrocities. But all Clanners are not the DB. I would certainly never destroy a building full of civilians. The point that I have been trying to get across to the whole planet is just what you were talking about.

    At this time, all the problems that we are all having can unite us. If we can all see past the Clan, Omni, and Neutral tags and understanding is reached. Then peace can ensue...

    But, until people are willing to look past the last 2 centuries of hatrid, and to open their minds to a new idea. We will never progress...

    Benjamin "Fixerben" Bacarella - L212 AL10
    Haywood "Brawlking" Jablomy - L220 AL21

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    Originally posted by Marlamin
    I remember very well what the War is about.. You rebels slaughtering Women and Childrens.. Omni gave us jobs, Omni gave us peace.. You took it away.

    Your nothing but killers and barbarians aslong as people like you Clanners exist, There will never be peace..
    Marlamin my friend, I think you are a bit confused as well. Until both sides can admit their wrongs, then neither will trust the other. I recognize that the Clans have done horrible things, but I can not speak for them all.

    You dont seem to remember the harsh conditions the original colonist miners were forced to endure.

    Maybe because you never spent a day in a miners shoes. I dont know your history. But beleive me this war did not start because the Clans slaughtered women and children.

    This is a 364 year histroy on why the conflict began:

    29112 - ICC receives the first serious complaints regarding Omni-Tek workers' conditions on Rubi-Ka. The mortality rate of the miners is alarmingly high, as are reports of brutality by security forces. Meanwhile, the salaries of OT workers are starting a downwards slide, caused - officials say - by a decline in the galactic economy and the demand for notum.

    November 02 29129 - A notum mine near Omni-2 collapses, trapping three hundred automatons, eighty-five bio-engineered non-sentient creatures, and seventy-two Atrox workers. Omni-Tek refuses to launch a rescue-operation, claiming time and cost concerns, and a limited chance of success.

    November 17 29129 - Volunteer workers - battling both the elements and a growing contingent of Omni-Tek security personnel who are doing everything they can to stop the rescue efforts, citing "safety reasons" - clear out the collapsed mine and reach the trapped Atrox miners. But it's too late: they are all dead. Tempers flare when on-site medical personnel claim that the trapped miners would probably be alive if an immediate effort had been made to clear the mine. OT authorities disagree. Shocked and angry workers are escorted from the site at gunpoint, and forced to return to their jobs.

    29130 - ICC initiates a major investigation into Omni-Tek's treatment of their Rubi-Kan workforce. OT files a protest.

    29188 - ICC submits a formal complaint - signed by the majority of member corporations - regarding the working conditions on Rubi-Ka to the Omni-Tek board, and demands that improvements be made immediately.

    29189 - After prolonged sessions at the ICC's headquarters on Earth, a proposal for the foundation of a miners' union is formally presented to the Omni-Tek Corporation of Rubi-Ka and miner representatives.

    April 18 29191 - Omni-Tek signs an agreement with the new Omni-Tek Manual Labourer's Guild, protecting the workers' rights. The groundwork is laid for the rise of the clans.

    July 31 29199 - After a series of terrible accidents, the Guild announces a general strike, demanding new equipment, reduced shifts, and higher salaries. Omni-Tek declares the strike illegal, and sends in heavily armed troops to ensure the continued operation of the mines.

    November 07 29201 - Dissatisfied with Omni-Tek management and broken promises, workers instigate massive uprisings across Rubi-Ka. OT answers the demonstrations with firepower. Eighteen OT guards and more than three hundred workers are killed.

    July 24 29206 - Reaching a critical mass in numbers - and taking advantage of the escalating war between Omni-Tek and Sol Banking Corporation - the clans finally rise up against the authorities. Killing thirty-nine OT guards, sabotaging security droids and other military hardware, the clans seize control of four notum mines and announce their plans for a democratic Rubi-Ka; run by the people, for the people.

    So Marlamin. I dont know where you see that this war started because Clanners killed women and children. This was started because the Clans were forced to work under unacceptable conditions, becuase Clan women and children died in the Notum mines.

    Benjamin "Fixerben" Bacarella - L212 AL10
    Haywood "Brawlking" Jablomy - L220 AL21

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    I could care less for Clanners, All the same they can call themself Dust Brigade, Neutrals, The Council of Truth, In my eyes they will always be bloody Rebels and Traitor Scum.

    Omni-Tek gave you Rubi-Ka, How did you repay us? By rebelling. Without Omni-Tek you would be nothing, You owe the Company your faith and life.

    You clanners are nothing but a Child in his early teenage years rebelling against the Parent. Omni-Tek Protects, Clans Murder.
    Despite everything in the end I was a Fixer and I can say it was hell of a ride.

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    Marlamin

    look at what you have already said and tell me it dosn't sound like youv'e been brainwashed. show using example from the past how omni-tek has truly been the just and forgiving father you claim it to be of instead of the money hungry corp. that their actions show them to be in bengys post.

    or are you just talking a bunch of feelings and repating propaganda fed to you by mission terms.

    as an inteligent neut. i cannot in good faith apply for employment in omni-1 if all you have to say is "they're all murdering terrorists". after living with both sides, some do kill incents (including omni) but not all. and to group all clan and neuts into one big anti omni anti peace lump only shows your ignorance and plays truth to the fact that as long as there are vengeful people like you on either side. there can be no peace.

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    With all respect for history, the war today can't be about working conditions over three hundred years ago. When someone explains to me in a coherent way what the stakes are in the current conflict, I might sign up for it.

    Until then I'll be a clanner because I prefer bird song to the factory whistle, and to make my own living my own way, rather than be fed company policy along with the synthetic breakfast oatmeal.
    Tenfour, Scienceleet, Abhaya, all on Atlantean
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    Originally posted by Kronocide
    With all respect for history, the war today can't be about working conditions over three hundred years ago. When someone explains to me in a coherent way what the stakes are in the current conflict, I might sign up for it.

    Until then I'll be a clanner because I prefer bird song to the factory whistle, and to make my own living my own way, rather than be fed company policy along with the synthetic breakfast oatmeal.
    Seems to me that the war takes the backseat to the mining issues today. It's merely used as an excuse to attack each other, while strip mining Rubi-Ka of her precious notum.

    Everybody wants a piece of the action, and I'm afraid that the planet can't handle the way she's being ripped open.

    I can only pray that people will find reason before it all is too late. What will you do when Rubi-Ka begins falling to pieces? I suppose you will take your riches and go off into new frontiers, with new money waiting to be made.

    But there will be people, many of them I call friends, that cannot, or will not leave. I am one of them. I can leave, but I wont. Rubi-Ka is my home. The little possesions I have, are all here on the planet. All my friendships are here as well.

    I know pleading is of little use. My voice is not loud enough to compete with the voice of money. Maybe even many voices together isn't enough.

    Maybe guns speak louder than money...maybe...I know very little today, I will know even less tomorrow. A panther is strongest when it's back is to the wall.

    I'm rambling, trying to make my voice heard. Reason is a strange word today it seems. I'm not making sense, but then the world isn't either...
    Garret "Necc" Scheer press officer of Desert Winds (MSAS)

    Karma, the world's true equalizer.

    Free Rubi-Ka!

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    "With all respect for history, the war today can't be about working conditions over three hundred years ago. When someone explains to me in a coherent way what the stakes are in the current conflict, I might sign up for it."

    Tho original statement from Marlamin is:

    "I remember very well what the War is about.. "

    And I was making a statement of the past. What the war was originally about. It does seem that now the war is more about mining Notum than it is freedom. But to put it simply. As for myself, I have no interest in mining Notum. I dont belong to a guild. I dont swear allegiance to anyone but Freedom.

    I fight for the true Clan cause. No matter how corrupted others visions may seem, there are still those of us that know what this War was about. And some of us still remain true to that purpose. And that purpose is "Freedom for all the people of Rubi-Ka."
    Last edited by Fixerben; Dec 16th, 2002 at 14:48:24.

    Benjamin "Fixerben" Bacarella - L212 AL10
    Haywood "Brawlking" Jablomy - L220 AL21

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    There will be no peace till the terrorist Sentinels are removed from Tir.

    There will be no peace as long as the Clans continue to display a complete lack of ability to run the north territories.

    There will be no peace as long as "the Clans" is in reality not a body which can be reasoned with, but a population living in a state of anarchy with tribal structures more reminiscent of ancient Earth stone age society than modern civilisation..But then again, I have seen clanners running around recently with skulls on their heads, so perhaps that is only to be expected.

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    Gestava:

    "There will be no peace till the terrorist Sentinels are removed from Tir."

    I concur.

    "There will be no peace as long as "the Clans" is in reality not a body which can be reasoned with, but a population living in a state of anarchy with tribal structures more reminiscent of ancient Earth stone age society than modern civilisation."

    And now I bite my thumb at you, because I know many Omni organizations that act as Tribal as you accuse the Clans of. And once again you are missins my point. My point is not to see people as Clan, Omni, or Neutral. But to see them as individuals.

    Until you open your mind long enough to look past an alignment, there will not be peace.
    Last edited by Fixerben; Dec 16th, 2002 at 15:57:25.

    Benjamin "Fixerben" Bacarella - L212 AL10
    Haywood "Brawlking" Jablomy - L220 AL21

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    There is a crucial difference between Omni and clans/neutrals.
    All Omni-tek employees are governed by a central government.
    No matter how individualistic some Omni-tek departments seem, they are all without exception subject to the laws laid down by chairman Ross and enforced by Omni-pol.

    This central leadership is what the clans lack. That role was, until recently, dubiously held by the Council of Truth but now even they are gone.

    There is no point in trying to negotiate peace with "the Clans" because no such thing exists.
    The only possible way of negotiating peace would be for Omni-tek to individually negotiate peace treaties with all the small shards of clanners all across the north. An impossible task.

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    Of course, being subject to rules of the corporation doesn't mean they are actually enforced. May as well not have rules cause Omni people do what ever they wish with narry a consequence from on high. Corruption at it's finest.
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    Exactly, I have never seen Omni-Pol enforce any of their laws, rules, or whatever you wish to call them.

    Benjamin "Fixerben" Bacarella - L212 AL10
    Haywood "Brawlking" Jablomy - L220 AL21

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    We read, create, and repeat so much propaganda lately, that we can scarcely tell fact from fiction, or truth from spin.
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    Sadly I still know fact from fiction. Sometimes I wish I didnt. But I can clearly see when someone is lieing...

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