Nerf FA and AS

[________________Psic]

I can't understand why everyone is taking Tantrumzero/TripleX/Aprilfool so seriouslly lately.

All that Tantrumzero is doing on the forums is whining, flaming and acusing people of exploiting and it has been like this for well over 6 months now I believe.

So lighten up people out there in forum land, no point taking anything this chump is spewing out to seriouslly.

[Morthoseth]

Originally posted by Piercingevil


Ok, you are a total, total noob. I do that every single day. Every time I get to Tir grid I aimed shot those little bastards. Please, and I mean please, learn about this game before you make these posts that make you look like a moron.

Okay, great, I'm gonna say this once and once alone. If you can't
address me without either calling me a n00b or a moron, don't
reply at all. I'm tired of people talking to me as if I *haven't*
been playing since august of 2001. (Magic eightball says some
type of fun will be poked fun at that fact, due to immaturity.) It
makes me mad that people will call someone a n00b, but lack the
maturity to discuss things like a civil human being. Please, and I
mean please, show some respect for others instead of being rude.

[i]
And agent is supposed to be concealed. Thats fine and dandy. That doesn't change the fact that aimed shot is a fine skill the way it is right now. I think I'm seeing what you are saying. You want your profession to be the only one to do aimed shots, and yet you want them nerfed on yourself by making a concealment check, etc. You must not pvp much.[/B]

You don't see what I'm saying. What I mean is this: You say
we're supposed to be concealed.. for what? If anyone can do an
AS at will, unconcealed, then doesn't that make one of our most
focused skills nothing more than a mere novelty? All I'm TRULY
asking is that FC put more emphasis on concealment, because it's
supposed to have a function aside from disappearing for *****
and giggles. I'm sorry if I've been the cookie cutter conceal agent.

I'll be candid, I'm insulted (Not by you and other players, but FC
that a skill I implant and buff to have 1400+ skill is essentially
useless for the purpose it was designed for. I quote the strategy
guide, now, to further reveal what I'm thinking to you...

Aimed Shot is the sniper's favorite skill. Using this, you can
*attack from a hidden position*, inflicting extra damage on your
target. It is vital that you are not detected by your target (This
was obviously describing conceal, not LOS manipulation.) when
executing this attack, as it will then count as a normal attack.

^ See that? ^

That's what I envisioned when I bought the game, preactically at
release. That's what I expected my profession's lone ability to be,
to do a calculated shot from the shadows of concealment. Now,
some can argue that I still can, yes, but doesn't it defeat the
purpose if anyone can use that skill without the need for what FC
*obviously* had intended it to? - Absolutely have to rely on
sneak to actually maximize it's potential? What was in the guide
seems like what things SHOULD be. If you can conceal and do an
AS, great power. If not, then it only acts as a regular, non-crit, AS.

In retrospect, a perception check in PvP is a bit much. I'm just
frustrated that my one skill takes none of such for others to use.
PvP should be what the guide stated. Maximized potential when
done form sneak, and only average when not concealed. There
should be a *special* damage bonus for agents who do AS's out
of sneak, or we're just another profession that uses a weapon,
only we have no heals and as crappy defenses as an NT without NS.

How would you feel, and I don't mean for you to take this serious
(again hypothetical) if any class could use your ILW nuke, but just
couldn't do it at the exact same effectiveness, and at a lower
nano cost? (Lower nanos cost being as close to no conceal as I
could describe.) That's essentially how I feel. I know now that its
easy to get off AS's, but it's not supposed to be like that in PvM.

That's all I'm saying.

And to answer, I haven't PvPed since 13.2 or so. I just came back
after NW was released, and have been upgrading my character.
At 116, I can *almost* self cast UA, and have 940 ATK rating. I just
need a good set of sense/agl armor in the QL185-195 range, and
you can count on me being in the fray with my brothers and sisters.

I did, however, take out an untitled MA my Lv. (I used to be a
rookie, now freshie.) I thought it was fair enough, having not
upgraded AC's/Imps since lv67, when treatment was handed out
like candy. Anyway, that answers that more than enough.

[i]
No, what your missing out here is the reason you can make an Atrox doctor with a beam, or a nanomage fixer with a sledgehammer, or a opifex NT with a rifle. Anarchy Online, from beta, was always about open-endedness with the game. I don't care about nerfs really, as long as they balance the game. But the new, as in not in game when I started playing, level and self-only crap was done because of stupid posts like this. Aimed shot is a skill, that all of us have, and some are better then others.

If you think everyone can harness the true power of aimed shot you, once again, know very little. Me with 700 AR and 1010 aimed shot will NEVER hit as many 10K as an agent with 1K-1.4K AR and whatever you can get AS to. That means your better little man, so stop crying because someone else got their first 10K aimed in front of you. [/B]

(It's just Rifle, not assault rifle. Rifle - R/Assasult rifle - AR. Right?)

I agree with you there. The beauty of AO is that (aside from
exclusive nanos for casters, and profession only items) anyone
can basically be anything they want, to varying degrees of sucess.

(And please stop it with childish antagonism. We're adults, here.)

You're right, some ARE better than others, and I recognize that.
But I *WANT* conceal to have some great benefit, as it was
ephasized to have in the early days. Otherwise, I demand a
green stats that matters for a damn. Maybe RIFLE could actually be
GREEN. Conceal doesn't even serve it's purpose as granting us
access as spies, or masters of anything stealthy. It's discouraging.

That's all I meant to say, and I'm sorry I took it too far. I,
someone who believes diplomancy and kindness go a long way, apologize.

But that doesn't nullify the fact that conceal isn't serving it's
purpose, as things are. That, my dear, is was is truly getting me
upset. My tensions were already tempered enough at seeing the
title of this topic. I don't want you, or anyone else for that matter,
to be angry at me because of my frustrations, but I think what I
have said in this thread, this very post and this one alone, has
made sense. I'm a person who sticks to their guns, but I'm not
afraid to admit when I am wrong, nor when I am right. I only
hope that if we ever met in game you wouldn't hold a grudge for
this heated debate (If one can even call it that.), because what it
unlimately boils down to it this; In game, we're all the same.
We're all just players with no control over the specifics, so we
have to do what we can. I think that's why people are so
animate here, because it's the only place we feel FC actually
monitors and sees. Anyway, I'm posting elsewhere for my own good.

[____________Kikamiro]

Make aimed shot in pvp only work from 30m+ and requires to be concealed, the actual shot should check vs targets perception also but all of this ONLY if the dmg cap is also removed from this one special.

[____________Infamine]

Originally posted by Whaambulance
Make aimed shot in pvp only work from 30m+ and requires to be concealed, the actual shot should check vs targets perception also but all of this ONLY if the dmg cap is also removed from this one special.

No, im sorry but no, i cant use a weapon that does almost 2K regular dmg in pvp so leave my AS alone fcs
AS would need a change if damage was 100% so you cant chain kill people using it but thats it.

[_____________Jankkar]

If Aimed shot had to be used from conseal you can forget, Agent Vs Agent, Trader vs Agent, MA vs Agent......basicly forget about fights between any profetion that has a weapon that req the AS skill, why?

Because i wouldnt be slow in up'ing Perception and Consealment and i would'nt just stand non conseled waiting to take a AS with nothing to hit back with appart from the "Dreaded super duper Ubah!! flingshot".

Agent would conseal then everyone else would conseal until they decide this isnt going to work and decide not to fight.

Oh and with people wasting ip on these skills to be able to use a special in PvP there not lightly to have ip for the towers / Controllers and if they raise these skills anyway your going to be pretty gimped in PvP.

[p00finger]

Originally posted by aprilfool
full auto and aimed shot need a nerf, and this is going to be flamed, but since you already have ranged, this is totally unfair imo

How about an alternative. Instead of nerfing FA/AS, fix the other specials to do more damage and adjust HPs and Heals to compensate.

give me a good reason you should be able to FA or AS for 4-5k+

Because a 200 Enforcer can get up to 15K HPs. (Or something like that.)

[Razzitazz]

You are a noob if you have been playing since august 2001 and you still don't know that you don't have to be concealed to pull off aimed shots. And you say stuff like I shouldn't be rude. Remeber this you posted:

Just when I think people have reached the peak of their stupidity.

No **** sherlock, but that doesn't mean it needs nerfed. AS can
and should be dealed with in the following possible ways for PvP:

Oh you are a real nice noob, sorry about being so upfront and using my big bad QL200 Premium Sledgehammer of Reality on you.

Also, to push the word noob in your face again, you want to complain because an agents concealment is not worth a damn? It makes you invisible to others, thats what it is supposed to do. You get 10K shots with agents crit % and high AR, what more do you want. You go into a pvp zone sneaking, someone comes out not knowing your there, you get a shot off with a better chance to do a 10K shot. I don't see the problem here.

As for this:

(It's just Rifle, not assault rifle. Rifle - R/Assasult rifle - AR. Right?)

Its ATTACK RATING. This is what I mean, you come to these boards talking like you know the game, cause you started in August 2001. You still don't have a high level charecter, you obviously don't know the game mechanics and you said you just came back after taking a break, not pvping since 13.2.

YOU ARE A NOOB! DEAL WITH IT!

Don't come to these boards talking about things you know nothing about. Its funny you say full auto too, cause that skill is so god damn worthless half of the time, and its recharge is so bad its no where near nerfable. Just don't post your false things on the boards until you level up and pvp more, cause if you do I'm surely going to point out your mistakes.

[_______________Fryli]

Morthoseth
And to answer, I haven't PvPed since 13.2 or so. I just came back
after NW was released, and have been upgrading my character.
At 116, I can *almost* self cast UA, and have 940 ATK rating.

I was gona flame some... but Piercing pretty much made it all clear

[Morthoseth]

Originally posted by Piercingevil

YOU ARE A NOOB! DEAL WITH IT!

Dealt with long before you tried to beat it into my head.

Wonderful, I misinterpret an abreviation, and I'm a n00b. I didn't
know that As's could be consistently gotten off without being
concealed. Whoppdee-*******-doo. It's funny how you can't
correct me without being hostile, aside from the fact that your
last post was only directed at calling me a noob, and not replying
to anything else I had to say. It certainly doesn't change the fact
that you're a ***** who can't use a little tact, and maybe treat
someone like a human being who more than kindly tried to agree
to disagree. If this is how all people are, it's no wonder why
people quit posting here. None at all, especially with people like
you; Confrontive, disgruntled ***-*****'* who feel better
making someone feel bad, lacking the even SIMPLIST abilities to
make a remark that doesn't belittle someone who may have
limited knowledge of a certain subject. How about this: You shut
the hell up, and don't talk to me until you can act like more than a
******* ape who just realized sticks can hurt people. ***-****.

Have a nice day. You can belittle me to your heart's content, but
it only justifies my previous comment. Of course, you'll just do a
repeat of calling me a noob, and tear apart my words like a cheap
lawyer, but that's okay. And, yes, before you say anything, I
noticed that I got a little pissy ^up there^ myself, but you know
what? I tried to be nice, and not start this kind of argument.

So, with that said - Whatever. Have a nice day, I love you too.

/end rant.

[Morthoseth]

Originally posted by Piercingevil

Don't come to these boards talking about things you know nothing about. Its funny you say full auto too, cause that skill is so god damn worthless half of the time, and its recharge is so bad its no where near nerfable. Just don't post your false things on the boards until you level up and pvp more, cause if you do I'm surely going to point out your mistakes.

Hey, Piercing, I don't think I said anything about FA. Not once.

I know flaming gets hectic, but try and remember who said what.