Something for clanners to read ( who care about peace )

[____________Sllaagor]

Originally posted by Kirrana

You talk of your guild giving you a bit of cash and handed down weapons and armour this is nothing to what Omni-Tek have done. This guild of mine Omni-Tek created Rubi-Ki from nothing and what have all the clan guilds done ?

The Clan guilds have been persecuted by the all-wise corp for wanting a voice, wanting choices. Have you read the OT colonization flyer? Too much 'fine print' that basically says 'you will do what we tell you or you get nothing but a shallow grave'
Makes Sllaagor's head hurt.

Yes, maybe OT created Rubi-Ka from nothing. They then polluted it with their failed experiments, oppressed the breeds that they designed as labourers, and abuse the ... eco-lo-gy ... of Rubi-Ka by strip-mining notum. OT seems willing to take Rubi-Ka from nothing ... right back to nothing.

If they hadn't truly colonized here, that would be no big loss. But they took matters into their own hands, created new breeds of humans, some of which can only live on Rubi-Ka. Rubi-Ka is my home, there will be humans here long after OT has drained the last drop of notum and is in search of new realms to plunder.

I can never leave Rubi-Ka, nor would I want to. I am sure I am listed in a manifest somewhere as "Atrox A. Pippin, 01492-24522, mining equipment, missing." At least the Clans treat me as a human and not a machine.

- Sllaagor
Clan Atrox Enforcer

[UwensBack]

/ooc
Well Kirrana I know that OT has done all that stuff but what I meant was what have they really done for me.
/end ooc

Kirrana-
I seem to have an apartment that was given to me by the clans, so you cannot claim this is an Omni only benefit. Now, yes, it may be handed down armour, but, as you must realise, we do not have the huge finanicial support and economic base that OT has. We can't afford the newest armour all the time, but, as long as the armour prevents the wearer from dying, then its good. And about a little bit of cash, I and many others have gone broke many times to support or clan. Yes, cash matters in the clans. As I have said, we have not had wealth handed to us on a silver platter like it has for you. We have to conserve our cash because it is hard to come by.

Bogus-
Would you follow the laws forced upon you by communism? No, I didn't think so. Yes, I know in many governments the leader is not chosen. OT is one of them. I am saying that we *must* have a government where the leader is chosen and not installed. And, please, paid for RubiKa through blood and sweat? Does Boss Ross have a *single* scar on him from *any* type of hard labour? The ones who paid their blood and sweat for RubiKa are the miners. Like my father, who was killed in a mine collapse. Like Sllagor, who was treated brutally and tortured into working, eventually giving him the option of eternal pain or escaping to freedom.
I never said OT has to go, I said that OT is NOT a government. It is a company. Companies do not have armies. A company cannot run a country, let alone a planet, with the peoples interest in mind, because it would be unprofitable. I'm not blaming the company for wanting to be profitable, because if they did things to be unprofitable, they would not make a good company now would they? RubiKa needs an elected government and OmniTek can still exist here, just not as the governing body.
Yes, if I thought an OmniTek person, who was running for a leadership position, wanted the best for the people and that he could do the best job, then I would vote for him. So I know the answer to that question. Do you? Would you vote for a clansmen? What if he was the best for the job? I think I know the answer to that one too.

Uwen

[___________Mr. Bogus]

Originally posted by Smashabasha
Would you follow the laws forced upon you by communism? No, I didn't think so.

Think again. As long as I'm well fed and paid farly for my services, I could care less what type of government runs the show. There all just tax collectors IMHO.

Originally posted by Smashabasha
And, please, paid for RubiKa through blood and sweat? Does Boss Ross have a *single* scar on him from *any* type of hard labour? The ones who paid their blood and sweat for RubiKa are the miners. Like my father, who was killed in a mine collapse. Like Sllagor, who was treated brutally and tortured into working, eventually giving him the option of eternal pain or escaping to freedom.

More scars then you'll ever know. But if looked for, can not be seen. However, they are there and he feels the pain of them every wakening moment, with each breath he takes.

As far as torture and brutality goes, I never seen any except on missions I picked of my own free will. I've been on many missions with Rolller, the originator of this thread, and never has he talked about being forced to do anything. You also talk of death in a mine collapse, what profession was that? Driller? Equipment Operator? Odd thing is, I've never seen these kinds of jobs offered by Omni-Tek. I got offered Fixer, Agent, Eng, Trader, those kinds of jobs. All hazard related work is done by automation. Perhaps the clans put there own people at risk but Omni-Tek does not. Although, they will let me take any risk I choose too. Is this not freedom at it's best?

And you still never offer any compensation to Omni-Tek. What should they do with the cities they built? Just turn them over to this government you elect? What taxes will this new government impose? What export duties will they hit Omni-Tek with?

Most likely, this government will tax the life and profits out of Rubi-Ka. The one and only thing governments seem to know how to do.

Excuse me if I take a pass on this new government. At least I know where I stand with Omni-Tek. I shudder to think what instability and chaos a new government would bring to my beloved Rubi-Ka.

[_____________Rolller]

I feel bad for you Sllaagor. You should be proud of your atrox heritage. I am curious where your insecurities as an atrox come from. Biological replication is outdated. You are complete and finely crafted for many tasks by Omni-Med.

There is nothing stopping you from doing anything you put your mind to. I see many atrox's in the professions of Nano Technitians and Meta Physicists. We atrox are strong and wise. Well almost anything. No matter how hard you try the rebelion against OT is futile

[UwensBack]

/ooc Resistance is futile? Please, stop, I'm going to have a heart attack and die laughing.
/end ooc

Of course you think that resistance is futile. You are OT. You have that propaganda that OT is invincible and that they have done nothing wrong and that the original form of reproducing is outdated spewing into your head 25 hours a day, eight days a week. You know nothing else.

Uwen

[____________Sllaagor]

Originally posted by Rolller
I feel bad for you Sllaagor. You should be proud of your atrox heritage. I am curious where your insecurities as an atrox come from. Biological replication is outdated. You are complete and finely crafted for many tasks by Omni-Med.

There is nothing stopping you from doing anything you put your mind to. I see many atrox's in the professions of Nano Technitians and Meta Physicists. We atrox are strong and wise. Well almost anything. No matter how hard you try the rebelion against OT is futile

I am incomplete!

There is one thing stopping me from doing what I want to do:

I HAVE NO SEX ORGANS! I CANNOT HAVE CHILDREN!

I cannot be proud of my Atrox "heritage" because I have no "heritage!" I was created in a lab! I cannot speak of my ancestors! I have none! I am from human stock but I am not a
full human! I am tortured by visions, strange feelings, unfulfilled impulses! Drugs give me no relief. Implants do not help. Omni-Med's Atrox "creation" is flawed!

My cells are still human ... you cannot make a creature forget, at the cellular level, that it was meant to breed. Every day is a wealth of pain for me, almost more than when I was an OT "machine" in one of their mines.

Omni-Med MUST make the Atrox a full breed! I may never live to benefit from it, but at least the Atrox will then have a heritage!

How can you, an Atrox, not feel cheated of your humanity? You are so brainwashed by OT that you know not the truth! I pity you.

- Sllaagor
Clan Atrox Enforcer

[___________Mr. Bogus]

Originally posted by Sllaagor



I HAVE NO SEX ORGANS! I CANNOT HAVE CHILDREN!

No no, just get a male, penal implant with a creation cluster. It's a black market item but it will do the trick.

Also, I said MALE because while female implants are also avalable, you Atrox's make ugly women.

Later,

[____________Sllaagor]

... but that is to be expected.

Implants do not let me breed. Implants do not make a sexless Atrox a "male" or a "female" ... pseudo male perhaps. All the implant does is connect to my pleasure center and simulate the pleasure of sex.

I do not want simulation. I want stimulation!

I want to breed, have children! Pass on my genetic "heritage"!
In a true family unit, not this "that way is outdated, just get it produced in the lab!" attitude. That is just the easiest way to produce malleable slaves!

I agree with Uwen, you know nothing but the propaganda that OT feeds you. And you lap it up like the filth it is, like the dogs you are. I pity you.

- Sllaagor
Clan Atrox Enforcer

[___________Mr. Bogus]

Originally posted by Sllaagor
... but that is to be expected.

And you lap it up like the filth it is, like the dogs you are. I pity you.

- Sllaagor
Clan Atrox Enforcer

It was humor, get some.

Now on the subject of reproduction, in all my travels on Rubi-Ka, I've never seen a child, not one! When Omni-Tek gave us all immortality, it made reproduction obsolete. Hell even sex is boring here compared all the other things going on.

I suppose, if one wanted to, he/she could reproduce, but why bother with it? Kids are a P in the A anyway. The only reason you want them is because you’ve never had any. My brother lives off world, he has a son. You can borrow him for a week. That will cure you (or anybody) of your reproduction yearning.

Stop living in the past and get over yourself.

Later,

[UwensBack]

/ooc I hope you are kidding. I have two kids IRL and they are a joy, not a "P in the A".
/end ooc

I have no idea what you are talking about! I have seen kids, when they come out, playing in the streets of Tir! I have seen them crowd into a teacher's flat for class! I have seen happy clan parents in Tir and the only reason you might miss them is when they keep the children inside for protection! Maybe OmniTek has taken away the warmth and love of a family, but clansmen still enjoy the links they have biologically with one another.
If your brother is OmniTek, I will "borrow" his kid and teach him of freedom and help to escape OmniTek, if he so wishes.

Uwen

[____________Sllaagor]

Originally posted by Mr. Bogus

It was humor, get some.

<OOC: Of course. I understood. Sllaagor, though, is single-minded and sometimes misses things like that. Just RPing, brother! /OOC>

Hell even sex is boring here compared all the other things going on.

<OOC: Sex, boring? Is that possible? I hope not! /OOC>

Say what you like. My cause is just. It will be realized.

- Sllaagor
Clan - Atrox Enforcer

[____________Sllaagor]

<OOC: I have a 20 month old daughter, it just keeps getting better! I love her more than life itself. /OOC>

[UwensBack]

/ooc
Glad to hear it Slllagor. Mine are 11 and 13 months.
Fast response by the way heh

Uwen

[_____________Breogan]

Originally posted by Mr. Bogus


Think again. As long as I'm well fed and paid farly for my services, I could care less what type of government runs the show. There all just tax collectors IMHO.

Translated from Omnispeak: as long as I'm one of the masters, I dont care about slavery

As far as torture and brutality goes, I never seen any except on missions I picked of my own free will. I've been on many missions with Rolller, the originator of this thread, and never has he talked about being forced to do anything. You also talk of death in a mine collapse, what profession was that? Driller? Equipment Operator? Odd thing is, I've never seen these kinds of jobs offered by Omni-Tek. I got offered Fixer, Agent, Eng, Trader, those kinds of jobs. All hazard related work is done by automation. Perhaps the clans put there own people at risk but Omni-Tek does not. Although, they will let me take any risk I choose too. Is this not freedom at it's best?

Looking at the timeline of Rubi-Ka History:

-29112: ICC receives the first serious complaints regarding Omni-Tek workers' conditions on Rubi-Ka. The mortality rate of the miners is alarmingly high, as are reports of brutality by security forces. Meanwhile, the salaries of OT workers are starting a downwards slide, caused - officials say - by a decline in the galactic economy and the demand for notum.

-November 02 29129: A notum mine near Omni-2 collapses, trapping three hundred automatons, eighty-five bio-engineered non-sentient creatures, and seventy-two Atrox workers. Omni-Tek refuses to launch a rescue-operation, claiming time and cost concerns, and a limited chance of success.

- November 03 29129: At a press-conference, an Omni-Tek spokesperson utters the infamous lines "They're only Atroxes" and "We're very concerned about our equipment", in reference to the trapped miners

- November 17 29129: Volunteer workers - battling both the elements and a growing contingent of Omni-Tek security personnel who are doing everything they can to stop the rescue efforts, citing "safety reasons" - clear out the collapsed mine and reach the trapped Atrox miners. But it's too late: they are all dead. Tempers flare when on-site medical personnel claim that the trapped miners would probably be alive if an immediate effort had been made to clear the mine. OT authorities disagree. Shocked and angry workers are escorted from the site at gunpoint, and forced to return to their jobs.

-November 07 29201: Dissatisfied with Omni-Tek management and broken promises, workers instigate massive uprisings across Rubi-Ka. OT answers the demonstrations with firepower. Eighteen OT guards and more than three hundred workers are killed

Next time, before you start to sing your praises to the wise rule of Omni-Tek, see what it has done. Before you speak about the working conditions you encounter, inform yourself about the working conditions of OTHERS. Before you tell us there is no slavery, torture, or forced labor, go and ask an clan Atrox. And before you ask us for reparations for our use of Omni-Tek material, start thinking what reparations could you give to us that would be worth one single life from the events depicted here.

The fact that you dont even KNOW that mining is done by HUMAN BREEDS in this planet disqualifies all comments you can do on the validity of our complains.

President Breogan
Rubi-Ka Reform Party

[____________Sllaagor]

Originally posted by Smashabasha
/ooc
Glad to hear it Slllagor. Mine are 11 and 13 months.
Fast response by the way heh

<OOC: Yep, there I was lurking on the boards when I should have been in-game, leveling... Managed to up a few lvls though ... /OOC>

Originally posted by Mr. Bogus

Think again. As long as I'm well fed and paid farly for my services, I could care less what type of government runs the show. There all just tax collectors IMHO.
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response from Breogan:

Translated from Omnispeak: as long as I'm one of the masters, I dont care about slavery

Breogan shows us once again the morally bankrupt attitude of the average OT employee. (To say nothing of management!)

The events of November 29129 show the true heartlessness of OT. When I was an "employee" (read: slave) of OT in the mines, I saw many similar events, though perhaps not on such a large scale as the disaster mentioned in the timeline. OT's reaction, though, was little different: Club down the offenders, get the outraged workers back to work with the threat of force.

A close friend of mine, a Solitus pretty much unfit for mining duty but assigned there because of "indiscretion" (read: said something to someone that OT did not like) was killed in a rock fall. The mine in question had been pointed out to OT by us workers as being unsafe many weeks before, however, the rich notum deposits within guaranteed that we would be ignored.

Several of the miners wished to hold a quick memorial service before getting back to work. OT security forces were quick to arrive and disperse this gathering with unnecessary force. It was the last straw.

I killed two OT Enforcers with my bare hands (suffering heinous wounds in the process) and left the mine, wandering the wastelands for days in delirium. A Clan patrol found me through sheer luck and my new life began at that moment.

OT treated me like a number. The majority of Clansmen treat me like a human, show me respect if I deserve it, censure me with empathy and logic if I get out of hand, instead of with brute force and "manifest destiny".

- Sllaagor
Clan - Atrox Enforcer

[___________Mr. Bogus]

Not as long as Omni-Tek keeps the reclaim booths working. Booths, I might add that you and I both use. If Omni-Tek didn't value life, there wouldn't be any.

Death is meaningless here, you know it and I know it. Pain and suffering are instantly healed at the shift change. You owe your very existents to Omni-Tek. And still, you bite the hand that feeds you. The things you try to pass for knowledge I just don't understand. What you call freedom, I call backsliding to the stone age.

Good luck.

Originally posted by Breogan


The fact that you dont even KNOW that mining is done by HUMAN BREEDS in this planet disqualifies all comments you can do on the validity of our complains.

President Breogan
Rubi-Ka Reform Party

[___________Mr. Bogus]

/ooc I have 3, all in or near there teens. And I wouldn't trade them for the world. But my char is a much younger me. When all my nephews were a P in the A.

/ic

Hmmm, you will have to show these children to me. I've been all over the north lately and have seen none. I'm an Eng, so I am by no means intimating. They would have no reason to pull there kids inside upon my arrival.

I have seen class rooms but the desks are all adult size. I've seen houses in big and small villages, but not so much as one toy in the yard. I've seen no expecting mothers, baby carriages or even baby clothing in stores.

My leg is getting sore, as if it's been tugged on to much. Offer a place where I can go and see these children. I've have a feeling, you can't. So I will put this off as more clan disinformation.

Why do I let my hopes get up, as if I found a reasonable clanner? I should know better by now.

Later,

Originally posted by Smashabasha
I have no idea what you are talking about! I have seen kids, when they come out, playing in the streets of Tir! I have seen them crowd into a teacher's flat for class!
Uwen

[___________Mr. Bogus]

LOL, I've seen such "events" as well. Workers pull this stunt all the time.

Here's how it works. A crew wants to get off work early for say, a party or something. So, the crew will all save at the same reclaim booth just before the shift. Usually, near the bar where the party will take place. Then an accident is arranged, so the crew all dies together. They all show up at the same reclaim booth and go the party. All at Omni expense. An old scam to say the least.

I wonder who's birthday was in November back in 29129?

Later,

Originally posted by Sllaagor


The events of November 29129 show the true heartlessness of OT. When I was an "employee" (read: slave) of OT in the mines, I saw many similar events, though perhaps not on such a large scale as the disaster mentioned in the timeline.

- Sllaagor
Clan - Atrox Enforcer

[____________Sllaagor]

<OOC: That's great! I never thought of that one ... that's a huge grin. Great RPing! /OOC>

Strange, I never saw anything like that among the Atrox and other "forced" labor. We were often denied "insurance" for spurious reasons ... as the death of a "criminal" bothers no one and the death of genetically-engineered eunuch brutes bothers few.

Perhaps that is what delinquent OT employees are able to do, but death to us in the mines was fatal. OT never spent a dime on insurance for their slaves. If they did, it was absorbed by corrupt managers who used it for other (read: their own) purposes.

- Sllaagor
Clan - Atrox Enforcer

[______________Windie]

Originally posted by Mr. Bogus
LOL, I've seen such "events" as well. Workers pull this stunt all the time.

Here's how it works. A crew wants to get off work early for say, a party or something. So, the crew will all save at the same reclaim booth just before the shift. Usually, near the bar where the party will take place. Then an accident is arranged, so the crew all dies together. They all show up at the same reclaim booth and go the party. All at Omni expense. An old scam to say the least.

I wonder who's birthday was in November back in 29129?

Are you aware that 32 years later in 29161, the technology was only up to 40% effectiveness, and even then it wasn't commonly available? Those poor men (and Atrox's are men) ~couldn't~ insure... they were doomed.

Funny how Omni's cruelty comes out in every day... and in statements like this.

((Darn it, you beat me!))