The Sentinels in Tir

[_____________Kungwho]

As a Republican Clanner, this development is troublesome to say the least. I discover the Sents posted at the whompas at Tir, killing Neuts and Omni indiscriminately. Neuts should never be killed imho, especially in Tir (they might be a friend visiting me), and an unarmed Omni should never be harmed either (they might be a friend visiting me). So I got mad and attacked a group of 6 Sents, and died in three shots.

The Sents supposedly brought control of Tir back to the Clanners. Since when did we lose control of it?

This goes to Clanners and the CoA: do not support the Sentinels! They are not Republicans, they have provided no Vision for a common future, and their past is violent and shady.

This goes to fair-minded Neuts and Omni: support those Clanners who oppose the Sents!

(I do not represent the views of CAS. CAS has made no determination yet as to what direction to take in this matter.)

[Arila]

emmm... dont CAS and CoA have the same views as the sentinels?? to remvoe OT?? im Omni, but... why would u not want the help of the sentinels??

[______________Nelida]

The Clans are suppose to stand for Freedom...freedom of speech and freedom of movement are included in that Freedom.

The Sentinels are nothing more than common thugs. They indiscriminately kill innocent travelers and have literaly taken over one of our cities. They now run roughshod over a major transportation hub on our planet. How many more will we allow them to 'own'?

In an age when we should all be coming together in the name of Freedom this act is insulting.

If you support the Sentinels all you have done is trade the OT despot for the Sentinel one.

Freedom for all Rubika! Remove the Sentinel thugs from Tir whompa! At the VERY least move them to a non-aggro distance from our planet-wide transportation system.

(The opinion stated is my own and does not yet reflect that of Whisper's Edge)

[_____________Kungwho]

The CoA opposed the Sentinels to my knowledge.

[____________Kelloran]

Sentinels is a Affiliation for War. Attacking our own city is something we cant agree whit. When did a war do anything good, it havent solved anything. Sents Shoot first ask later is going to be theyr death. Attacking Icc and Tir is a stupid move.

Sent is just like DB if you ask me. Attacking all of us.

CoA is an Affiliation for Republic. To unite Rubika under one flag, we will defend and Protect if our lifes is threatened.

We welcome Omnis Neuts and Claners to unite under the same flag.

I have a feeling CoT will come out soon, seems like a good time to do it. Not that im found of CoT but atleast they do things in a more intelligent way.

[Aerinyi]

I agree, and I have to admit I'm quite a bit more comfortable with the CoA knowing that they are opposed to the Sentinels' policies as well. I'm happy to see Tir back in clanner hands, but this wasn't the way it needed to be done. There's no need for peaceful neutral or Omni visitors to be attacked, it helps no one.

[_____________Kungwho]

After discussion among the leadership of CAS, we agreed that we do not support the Sentinels. We CAS are Republicans. We do not believe in shoot first, ask second. We will oppose the Sentinels if they do not endorse Republican/Democratic ideals and reforms.

Admittedly, we do not at the moment exactly know the Sentinel's intentions, and are currently trying to make communication. Therefore we do not at the moment oppose them, without more information.

[Ensignm]

Omni-Tek has no business in the city of Tir and though I would have prefered to have CoT guards back in the city any guard who "escorts" Omni-Tek employees out of our teritory has my support. At least untill the CoT returns or another viable alternative presents itself. I would prefer to see the Sentinels allowing neutral in to Tir, but if the price for being protected against Omni-Tek is that neutrals will, temporarily, be unable to enter Tir safely that is a price I am willing to pay.

[Ashval]

I'm also extremely opposed to the Sentinels behavior, particularly where Neutrals are concerned. The Clans are supposed to stand for freedom, yet we're now shooting innocent Neutrals in our own city? *sigh* Why couldn't it have been Galahad's knights, or someone with some ethics?

((OOC - I'm rather ticked at Funcom right now. They up and remove a respectable character and leader in Radiman, leave us with no active faction for the longest time, and then choose the SENTINELS as our saviors? For crying out loud. Why do you bother with asking us what faction we support when they don't do anything? I guess those who supported the Sentinels are happy as a lark, but that's a pretty damn small portion of the Clan population. I'm beginning to wonder if the Clans are going to end up the bad guys in the end the way this is going. :P))

[____________Kelloran]

Braedon
((ooc i know what you meen, FC just whant this war or whatever. FC is just s bunch of gimps trying to make this game interesting but ppl just whant to find another game to play, they have lost all the Good GMs and story writers, i realy cant see this game still be here in 6months, they say its a game where we can change how the storry goes, but we cant.))

[_____________Kungwho]

The CoA was patrolling Tir prior to the arrival of the Sentinels, and they were escorting OT folks out of Tir peaceably (unless they were fired upon). Neuts were allowed free passage. OT did not appear to be taking any threatening measures against Tir, other than saying they had the right to enter Tir again given the collapse of the Tir Accords (to my knowledge).

It was ICC guards, on the contrary, that were in Tir "peacekeeping." And the ICC may present a much larger problem to RK residents in the future that could dwarf our current factional "wars." For the ICC is a relatively unknown, omnipotent Corporate cartel to my present understanding. I assume therefore that it must have profit-making as its raison d'etre.

Would like to hear other opinions on the ICC, and their eventual entrance into RK's conflicts.

[_________shaquaneeva]

Originally posted by Ensign M
but if the price for being protected against Omni-Tek is that neutrals will, temporarily, be unable to enter Tir safely that is a price I am willing to pay.

funny? as a clanner thats not a price that you're actully directly paying are you ?

as far as the ICC goes, they reperesent a weak collective of hyper corps to which omni-tek is a member. they forsaw a problem brewing and did not send enough resorces to maintain control. while OT has abandoned mining in the north, the quick and overpowering defeat in tir makes me wonder what they are doing here at all? or if ICC has any power to protect the neutral zones that icc guards had replaced not so long ago. its not as if omni is going to do anything to protect us, and it seems that even with the majority of clanners strongly opposed to the occupation of the sentinals, they cant even protect themselves.

so i ask you ICC. what are you going to do ? are you going to protect the citizenship of the planet that is being leased from you? or be ousted by a few extreemest clans?

[Fixerben]

The CoA does not support the recent actions of the Sentinels. A totally unprovoked attack on a neutral government agency is against everything the CoA stands for.

CoA Peacekeepers had been removing Omni from Tir peacefully for weeks before this horrible atrocity occured. We do not agree with the Sentinels actions, and we will not condone any such actions similar to theirs.

The following is the CoA's statement to the public to be released to the News soon:

"The CoA will not condone terrorist actions by any of the citizens of Rubi-Ka. The Sentinels have once again dragged the Clansmen of Rubi-Ka down to the level of terrorists with an unprovoked and unexpected attack on the ICC. The ICC, a neutral regulatory organization, has been deployed in Tir since the CoT had fled. The ICC was in place to keep the peace and only fire when fired upon. The CoA has joined the ICC in its peacekeeping capacity and therefore condemns the unwarranted agression of the Sentinels. The Sentinels have attacked a nonmilitary target outright and forcefully taken over the city. The CoA does not need this type of association as we are here to defend the Clans; not to act agressively in any way."

[Fixerben]

Kung I get the distinct impression that a lot of people are confused about what the ICC exactly is.

It is my understanding that the ICC is a large governmental oragnization that licenses and leases properties. In that case the ICC doesnt actually get to keep all the profits from the Rubi-Ka lease. It would go to which ever governing body they work for. The ICC is like a 29475 version of the early 20th Century "Trust Busters". It is a government run organization to settle disputes between hyper-corporations. It approves or disapproves mergers between hyper-corporations.

The ICC itself is not a corporation. They are a neutral intervening party, who made planetfall to "supposedly" cool down the bioling hot situation on Rubi-Ka. When all they really did was take the spots of the old Clan Guards and stand there and do nothing. But being as they are neutral this is understandable that they dont attack anyone. I wouldnt expect them to just pop off rounds at random people walking by.

However their presence in Tir was very annoying. I find it odd that the ICC would come to cool down a situation on Rubi-Ka and they they just let Omni walk right through what once was a prodominantly Clan city.

But back to the original point of this post. The ICC is not a corporation that is looking to line their pockets with Notum. They are simply a governmental regulatory agency. They regulate and monitor the actions of all hyper-corporations in the Galaxy to make sure that no one company gains too much power. They are supposed to maintain a healthy balance of income/business so that all the major corporations get a fair share of each market.

Right this moment OmniTek has a monopoly on Notum. And it did not surprise me that Sol Banking wanted to have a hand in the ICC coming to Rubi-Ka. Do you think that Sol Banking sent the ICC in one of their flagships for the heck of it? No they wanted to make a statement. That is why the other hypercorporations wanted the ICC here, and OmniTek didnt.

I hope this clears up a little bit about the ICC and thier role in all of this. If anyone has more questions feel free to ask.

[______________Nelida]

((Then they COULD have put Sentinels at Tir transportation hubs in a way that allowed Clanners to post patrols and remove attacking guards. Instead the ensured we don't have that option. The guards are so numerous and uber in level that it doubt all but a large army could take them out...which would probably crash the server.

Instead they could have placed fewer and/or lower level and had LONG re-spawn times on them so Clan orgs could remove them allowing safe travel for some reasonable period of time. THEN, after some lengthy period of time of Clanners keeping them at bay, they could have been removed by claiming that Clans revolted against these militaristic thugs. In that way we could actually change the story.

As it is now we all just stand around wondering how and when Gaute is going to jerk our strings to make us dance HIS dance.

I want a world that WE get to change.

My question to Kung is this;

Last time FC said 'dance' the CoA was disbanded. Is that going to happen again? Or is the CoA going to push forward EVEN in the face of FC's own plans? Because you and I Kung both know that FC does not want a Republic consisting of Clan, Neuts and Omni. Trying to form such a thing flies in the face of every bit of game mechanics and story line that Gaute has thrust upon us.

Will CoA stand up to FC this time?
Will the players stand up to FC?

I have friends on this world so I don't leave, but I'm NOT happy with the FC's idea of how to entertain us.))

Originally posted by Kelloran
Braedon
((ooc i know what you meen, FC just whant this war or whatever. FC is just s bunch of gimps trying to make this game interesting but ppl just whant to find another game to play, they have lost all the Good GMs and story writers, i realy cant see this game still be here in 6months, they say its a game where we can change how the storry goes, but we cant.))

[_______________Ramux]

I also agree with most of the opinions stated here, the Sentinels have entered Tir, without the clans consent or any right. ((Although, if you talk to Simon. He does state that none of the ICC were harmed. They were threatened and retreated.))
They now place themselves numerously throughout Tir. Killing not only Omni employees, but Neutral organization workers and civilians. Tir is a city that stands for freedom, of clans and anyone else who chooses to visit in peace. I would rather see a sentinel guard at the grid or whompa then a "ICC Peacekeeper." But not in such force as they are.
Omni is NOT welcome to patrol our city, or see fit to what happens in it. But they are welcome under peacefull circumstances. I am not one to take the, "Omni is scum." Way of thinking. And I would welcome any peacefull Omni worker into my own home. But the Sentinels have taken over, and enforced rules as a dictatorship. They have directly went against everything CoA stand's for and we will not stand by them, ever.
((For my ooc rant, I am very unpleased with how FC has played out this event. And pretty much ignored any player based story and event's that have been taking place. We obviously see now, players can NOT make a difference in the world of Rubi-ka, and FC will throw in idea's and event's to direct us to what they want, when they see fit. Obviously now they want to direct us to war, Or even make clan seem to be the "bad guys." If we were not fighting, and made "peace" for some time. FC's head would spin.. Or create an alien race which take's over half of Rubi-ka and vow's to destroy all the clans, omni's, and neutrals in a large war. Anything that result's in war anyway. :P))

[Pheonix2]

This Figures…Clans Whining over Sentinel Occupation. Did any of you stop to think why it is your city of Tir was taken over? Tir will more than likely be the first of many cities that will be taken from the Clans leaving you subject to the sentinels will and intentions that even you don’t know. For all you know the Sentinels could very well be under the control of OT and if the ICC cant stop them what makes you think a ragtag group of Clanners have a chance if they turn on you… might as well put you application in for a transfer ::laughs:: hope your insurance is paid up …..

[Fixerben]

Originally posted by Nelida
My question to Kung is this;

Last time FC said 'dance' the CoA was disbanded. Is that going to happen again? Or is the CoA going to push forward EVEN in the face of FC's own plans? Because you and I Kung both know that FC does not want a Republic consisting of Clan, Neuts and Omni. Trying to form such a thing flies in the face of every bit of game mechanics and story line that Gaute has thrust upon us.

Will CoA stand up to FC this time?

In the future Nelida please direct questions about the CoA, to a CoA representative. I will be glad to respond to your question.

Fixerben, one of our Captains of the CoA Peacekeepers has said before in other threads that the CoA will be here until a new clan Government is formed. The CoA is not going to run away. We are here, and we will stay until we see a new government that all peoples of Rubi-Ka can agree with.

The CoA is not a tucktail organization. We are here when you need us. We disbanded because we thought we were no longer needed. Sadly mistaken we are now back. This time there is no one to tell us to disband, and even if they did, at the threat of PK I am not going anywhere. Neither will our loyal troops.

Long live the Clans! Long live Freedom!

[Ensignm]

I too get the distinct impression that people are confused about what the ICC exactly is.

The ICC is a conglomerate of hyper Corporations that is only interested in one thing: Protecting the interest of their members they are not able to govern people anymore then a government is able to make a decent profit. The ICC consists of a bunch of corporations intend on making the most out of their investments, at any price! (Including denying us even the most basic human right: a democratic government and self determination.)
Ever since Adams the rules of economics state that the only goal for a company is to make as much money as it can.
The reason the ICC intervened on Rubi-Ka is that the risk of an all out war between OT and the clans is rising and since war disrupts transportation and production of notum they had to intervene to protect the interests of the hyper corporations. Don't let the shinny armor or the big words fool you. If peace is in the best interest of the hyper corporations the ICC will support peace, if war is in the best interest of the hyper corporations the ICC will support war. They don't care about the people of Rubi-Ka, we're not names for them we're numbers, numbers that represent our maximum productivity.

[_______________Elria]

Has anybody seen ICC actually doing its "peacekeeping" job in Tir? That's a joke. Omnis could stand right in front of a peacekeeper and shout insults to clanners in their own city all day long.
I am glad to see ICC gone, now.

The only problem with the Sentinels, currently, is the shooting of neutrals. True, it is a serious one.
But the rest is PR crap. Sentinels are not like the Dust Brigade, they do not attack all of us. When they came in to show ICC where the exit is, they did not kill the women and children. They are not thugs. They are extremists, unlike most of us clanners, but then again, I have not lived Silverstone's life. They're shady? Well, they do not have hidden headquarters, and I know as much about your past than I know about a sentinel's.

Before getting all excited and joining forces with OT just to fight the Sentinels, try a little talk with them. No need for a chess game.
We're going to need them and their tower technologies, and they cannot fight the notum wars alone, so agreements are bound to be found.