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Thread: Funcom: Please give us a GOOD reason why NODROP items drop from Tarasque.

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    Funcom: Please give us a GOOD reason why NODROP items drop from Tarasque.

    Also, while you are at it, could you give a good reason why Nodrop loot drops from ALL mobs that take more then 1 team to kill?

    Honestly, here is the dilema.

    Premise 1: 1 team cannot kill Tarasque. Maybe they could if they tried really hard, but the reality is you will always need more then 1 team.

    Premise 2: Nodrop items cannot be dropped or traded (duh).

    Premise 3: Only 1 team out of the few it takes to kill these mobs gains loot rights.

    Reality: 1 team of many needed to kill a mob, in an organized effort of over 100 players from any given faction, gets the right to loot a Nodrop item.

    What genius decided it was good to make a mob so hard to kill you need more then 1 team to kill him, yet give it Nodrop items in it's loot table. It makes it HELL to try and organize who has rights to loot this item. To me, that is abso-freaking-lutly backwards.

    Bass Ackwards.
    Last edited by Lucid Flow; Nov 15th, 2002 at 09:09:22.

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    i dont think it was intended that several teams work together to get loot. Maybe more than one team attacking, but then they're concurring with eachother and the team that dealt most dmg got lootrights.

    Other reason is that if some items werent nodrop, ppl would farm those items and sell them for insane prices. Imagine Nelebs cloak wouldnt be nodrop, ppl would farm them and sell them too newbs, which would be no fun for newbie players at all. imho more items should be nodrop, especially those without prof/breed req.

    U dont need it, dont loot it.

    ppl joining a tarabot raffle for an item they cant use sucks. They wanna sell it for big cash. Thats just plain GREED !

    Plz DONT remove the nodrop tags.

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    Nodrops, ninjaloot, super mobs...

    I written a post in game-mechanics forum about this. I could have written it here too, but this is a problem to outdoor bosses too.
    Im not against NO DROPS, but think FC is about to ruin all of their 'high lvl content' stuff if they not look into this. Read more here:

    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/sho...threadid=69944

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    I think Punkbum has a valid point. But I think that Neleb's Coat for example is on a very fast respawn timer. Look at the EOT. Every 190+ enforcer is drooling to get it. It is on the lowest drop rate along with the Arura Magnifier. Say an enforcer goes to Tara alot. He does not go AFK he accaully helps out. Then maybe some ninja looter takes it off the dead Tara. Or say he had to work at one of the T spawn times and EOT drops but he is not there. It is crazy to make the EOT NODROP. No one is gonna be farming Tara as we all know what it is like there. Please take off NODROP on all T loot.
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    Originally posted by Punkbum
    imho more items should be nodrop, especially those without prof/breed req.

    ppl joining a tarabot raffle for an item they cant use sucks. They wanna sell it for big cash. Thats just plain GREED !
    I agree with what you are saying 100%. The introduction of uber loot into the economy of the game has lessened the worth of cash.

    Back in the day, Grid Armor mk4 sold for maybe 250 million credits at most. Try buying it today for 250 million. You will be laughed at and told "I only want a Dragon Chest and a Robust Backpack".

    99% of the uber loot in the game should be NODROP. Furthermore, GA and NS disc should be removed from all drop tables and 'super hard' or boring quests should be added for them. Value needs to be restored to more mundane treasure besides ql 190+ Soul Frags and almost any QL notum.

    Unfortunately this will never happen.

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    No Nodrops on Tara = No ninja looting
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    Hoops,

    Which classes you play?

    All,

    GPH should be tradable, then there would be more access to it, simple as that.
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    Originally posted by Oldskule / Ternak
    Or say he had to work at one of the T spawn times and EOT drops but he is not there. It is crazy to make the EOT NODROP. No one is gonna be farming Tara as we all know what it is like there. Please take off NODROP on all T loot.
    a few nights ago EOT dropped and the highest enforcer was a lvl 150. there is NO chance that he will be able to equip it in the next 4-5 months at the rate he is leveling . but then again why would we want another item to seel for 500mil+
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    Once again, that item would not have gone to waste if it was not NODROP. Even if it dose sell for 500 milly+ one of the 4 rarest drops in the game should not be class restricted.
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    . : Jenerik - 8 Enforcer RK1 Just another generic Enforcer : .

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    How about if a new category called "Priceless" was introduced for the really special items. You can trade them for free with other players, but you can't sell them. (ie if in trade if cash is >0 then the trade gets cancelled).

    That would allow people to shift them around, but stop farming for cash.

    Edit: probably a stupid idea cause people could give a load of cash in a different trade.....
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    Hmm not that familiar with Tara, but speaking of no drop.

    I love no drop items.

    There is no pride in having an item that can be bought for cash..Every twink and their mother _can_ have that very same item if they just farmed the cash..

    No Drop Item, is something _I_ have been there to help, quested, soloed you name, but it is still _I_ who have made the effort.

    I dont care if I have something worth 100mill that everyone is drooling over.. Rather have something not as good, but something that I know I have been struggling to get.
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    Originally posted by SplitFridge


    a few nights ago EOT dropped and the highest enforcer was a lvl 150. there is NO chance that he will be able to equip it in the next 4-5 months at the rate he is leveling . but then again why would we want another item to seel for 500mil+
    if he got the EoT, bet your entire bank that sucker's gonna level up like something bit him

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    I think the amount of NODROPS out there today are fine. What we really need is a money sink to eliminate all this extra cash that is flowing around. Hopefully in NW....

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    "If we make them camp, then they will stay longer."


    As simple as that..

    oh btw, u can find that motto written over the entrance to Funcoms office in Oslo.

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    Two things from my side...

    1. Make Tarasque always drop three items. That way there will be less excuses.

    2. If the loot has to be nodrop, make it timed.. aka 1 hour from picking an item from Tarasque it will become nodrop. This is possible as the game already have "flags" that for example make it possible to tweak certain armor pieces for a duration.

    No drop is a good in a sense that those items cannot be traded. Timing would be a better solution in my mind.

    Any thoughts?

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    oops, been away for quite some time. Nice loot messages

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    NODROPS were Funcom's idea of each person trying to get the item on their own. However, what's the difference if I kill Tarasque on my own (which I can't) or work hard to earn enough money to buy the item? Either way I would have achieved to obtain the item in my own way.

    Punkbum

    If this wasn't the case, how exactly can 1 enforcer can take down The Obediency Enforcer and loot the Punishment Rod? How exactly can 1 martial artist take down Tarasque and loot the Arua Maginfier?

    Point is they can't. They can't even do it with one team. So, your ideal about many teams working together is wrong. Camelot was intended for teams to work together, as are many of the up and comming 'uber' bosses.

    Hoops

    More items could be NODROP, but then those items will be even harder to obtain for those not blessed enough to be in large and 'uber' guilds, or have alot of 'uber' friends.

    You might as well just give those items to the 'uber' guilded ppl and say screw everyone else, 'cause we both know that's exactly what the end result will be anyway.

    Personally, I'm not in an 'uber' guild, and I don't have alot of 'uber' friends. But I'm sure able to equip my character and alts with nice things 'cause I can, at least, buy them.

    Patk9

    Good point. Less NODROPS means less ninja-looting.

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    buuuuuump
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    yup bumpers here too.

    nodrops are the stupiest idea to be introduced into online gaming. ANYTHING that takes multi teams/guilds to kill should never be nodrop. This is part of the reason I am thinking of cancelling my account. Due to when I can be online, it is hard to attend cam/other raids for a chance at nodrop goodies. EVERYTHING should be able to be bought that drops from those hard mobs. Why can't I just do my thing and amass cash when I am online (and 99% of the server isnt) and be able to buy something? I bought my dragon armor. I have pride in that. So what if I didn't win a raffle at camelot...those raffles are jokes anyways. Joe Schmoe who attends it once gets lucky and wins, when buddy schmoe goes everytime for a month and never wins...that is the situation that makes the game stupid. If anyone can win such "deserving items *cough**cough*" why can't they be sold?

    Example, lots of adventurer coats/hoods/rings forsale on forums these days...um didn't advents get to win these items? If an actual advent won one of these items and decides to sell, my only guess for why is to buy something even better they couldn't win. IF this happens with SOME loot, WTF shouldn't it happen with ALL loot?

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    well i think the idea of nodrops is to stop people farming a mob for an item but in certain situations such as at tarasque it is counter productive...normally i agree with the nodrop thing as it is a good way to discourage this but with these uber bossmobs that need 40 people to kill or tarasque where you need that many due to the pvp environment having the item as nodrop is bad bad news.
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