Hate thread #1: Sneak attack and Aim shot in PvP.

[____________Hitokage]

Ok...
let's look at this form a purely hypothetical pow...

AS in PvP requiring concealment. Part of me likes the idea. It would be fully in line with what agents are all about, IMO.
But... to make that viable, let's get the other game mechanics attuned to that idea.

1. Concealment should not be broken by a single aimed shot. Use your perception to search for us, that's what it's there for. Now if we start attacking with "ordinary" shots, that's a whole 'nother issue. But a string of AS, with the agent waiting for the next one behind his cover (concealment) should not lead to immediate detection.

2. Remove the dmg cap. This has to be done in order to balance it against multiple-specials professions, who can 40% you multiple times.

3. Give us range. Any range covered in a few strides ain't sniper range.

4. Make AS ignore AC and evades. You can't dodge what you don't know is coming, and the shot is carefully aimed at the soft spots.

5. Up the base crit mod on AS. If I aim long enough without you seeing me, and put that round in your eye, that's about as critical a hit as you'll ever get.

Or... we can just leave it as it is.
Even though I'ld love to see FC make us into the assassins we're supposed to be

Now I could expand on my realistic scenario, going on about reducing brawl distance (make all melee attacks unaffected by range enhancements). Your arms are only that long. etc.
But this was about AS, so I'll just leave it at that.

[Arinia]

Originally posted by Flood1
There are far worse things in AO that are more deserved of the nerf stick than AS and Sneak Attack at the moment.

Well said.

[Canto]

All these threads... what a whining, nerf-crying jackass this Pat is.

[Mattie]

alright, ill give up my mid-fight aimedshots on one condition..... i get full 100% damage from it, no caps

either its full damage, or it stays as is. im sure you will choose to keep it as is if full damage is the only alternative, wouldnt want me to drop you in a single shot and hurt that lil title of yours

[_________________Pat]

Ahhhh pat no i didnt mean to piss you off with my sneak attack =(

i wont hit you anymore


sorry i'll stay gimp forever =)

[_________________Pat]

Oh and as to you Hitokage, you obviously havent seen how long my Alloys are when i run Challenger to Behemoth

i could still whack you from accross the map

and for that matter i should get stomp damage for being so huge and stepping on you puny little agents

[Patk]

This wasnt a nerf cry, its 1 of the things i hate in the game and i found out last night that alot of people agree with me. Also it wasnt aimed at agents, if you only get 1 aim off in the fight whats it matter? I liked the idea, i think it was azz's to just raise the recharge of it on the faster guns like ithaca to that of the guns that agents use, if its THE agent special why should all those other profs be able to use it so much more effectively?

I liked Hitokage's ideas #1,3,4,5....but removing dmg cap would mean insta kills all over again, that doesnt take skill it just takes who tabs 1st.

[Grupert]

Originally posted by Boomer
Dont even think about nerfing the AS for Agents. If you have soo many issues with AS from profs using non pure rifles then take the aimed shot reqs off them. They took away the whole point of AS for Agents in 12.6 .. a big one shot hit at the start of fight and then lower damage (but people moaned about "uber Agents can kill me with one shot" so it went).

Remember long PvP fights for agents are a very very very bad idea
a) we have a single special
b) We have no fast effective HoTs
.. thats why we like to keep a long way away (only we cant due to the range cap).

So I have to PvP once NW comes out dont shout Nerf .. otherwise perhaps we will ask for nerfs to the healing abilities of other classes ....

Agent = Sniper (FC description)
Agent = specialist shopper (My description) *Poss Nerfed with cloaker reqs after 14.6*

Alot of that damage was caused by people exploiting the treatment clinic bug - getting your treatment up to 800-900, putting QL 175-200 implants, wrangle into a 175 rifle, and the level 35 agent was god.
And of course people sent in reports about this to FC, and nothing was done about it for a loooooooong time.

[Canto]

BS, IT IS A NERF CRY PLAIN AND SIMPLE and you sir are a spamming NERF CRIER; They aren't going to give you a 5 minute dimach so the upshot of your posts is "nerf this special, nerf that special." And I wonder which specials happen to be the ones your professions use and which ones are the ones your professions don't use? And the same goes for all the "many people in the game who agree with you."

You can shoot holes in how each special works and go through 100s and 100s of posts of meaningless blather comparing this or that special. LETS JUST MAKE ONE SPECIAL, call it the LEET/ROXXOR, and give it to MAs and Adventurers only. It instakills any other character and recycles every five seconds. That is what you really want, isn't it?

How many agents have killed your characters in PvP and how many agents have your characters killed? I'll bet you are just making these nerf crying posts to hear yourself whine.

It takes an IDIOT to claim that AS should only be from concealment and claim that that is realistic. Fine lets make sniping realistic. Make AS concealed only, put in an agent only gun with a range of 150 meters in the game and take the damage cap off AS. THAT will make it realistic and your head will be blown clean off every time in one shot. Agents pay the price of nerf crying like yours over and over again.

Stop trying to conceal your nerf posts as "Things I hate in the game," which translates into "THINGS I HATE THAT OTHER PLAYERS CAN DO TO MY CHARACTERS THAT I WANT TO GO AWAY." Waaaaa. Waaaaaa.

EDIT: BTW, since when is ANYTHING in this game realistic? Today, we go outside with 12 guage shotguns, take ten paces, turn and shoot... just how long is such a PvP match going to last?

30,000 years in the future, we go outside with weapons that shoot beams of raw destructive energy. Why would this PvP battle last longer? Because FC wants it to. Realism in this game is not good grounds for ANY argument.

EDIT: Wow bad day at work turned me a little rabid; turn the volume down on the above rant a notch or two; shouldn't drink so much coffee

[_________________Pat]

lol sorry but i gotta laugh at that one

[Grupert]

Originally posted by Patk9
Tell me this, why is it logical to have people popping off 2k+ sneak attacks and aim shots in pvp and often, the recharge is very fast on these specials and you dont have to be concealed to use it. That is one of the most stupid things ive seen, I have a person tabbed, they hit me 4-5 times then hit me with a 2k+ sneak attack? Thats where I draw the line. Make it like it was intended, make it like it is in PvM. If your not concealed you cant do it, that easy. Enough of this any profession being able to shoot a 2600 aim shot mid fight to completely turn the fight around.

Scenario often played out: Patk9 vs lvl 200 doc

dmg, dmg dmg, fight goes normal blah blah
healing, dmg, healing blah blah blah
2600 aim shot
dmg, dmg dmg, fight goes normal blah blah
healing, dmg, healing blah blah blah
2500 aim shot ok now where does this make sense? aim shots/sneak attacks shouldnt be allowed in the middle of a fight seriously.

Sounds like you got owned pretty bad. Tough. Want to nerf AS? Then give us 100% damage on our ONE special. Then get Funcom to change our body development to light blue, and at the same time change our evades to light blue. NO! GREEN!
WOW! I just solved all our problems!!!!!

[Sparkyd]

The only way I'd stand for a nerf to mid-fight AS is making it 100% damage.

And as Hikotage said, only if we DON'T break concealment from doing an Aimed Shot.

If you nerf my AS mid-fight, then I have NO FIGHTING CHANCE to ever hope to turn the battle in my favour.

Besides, why would I really have to be concealed to do an 'Aimed' shot anyways? (Talking from Role-playing perspective)...

Here is tiny suggestion, may or may not work, but it's a suggestion....leave Aimed shot in the middle of a fight, but make it so there is a 2 - 3 second delay between my Aimed shot and the next shot I make.

Meaning that, since the Aimed shot takes considerable aiming and concentration, I need a moment to recover before I can continue shooting.

[____________Lesentia]

Aimed shot doesnt have to be a shot that you take in concealment. You can just as easily shoot someone in the head if you have good agility if your fighting them as opposed to being hidden.

[DaveDread]

I dont think anyone has a problem with agents doing top damage AS in PvP.

However, I have a problem with professions who supposedly are weak in direct combat that do top damage AS in PvP every 40 seconds.

This is like directed at every aimedshot user (myself included) except agents.

[Palmero]

i want a new TIPR if they are nefing AS.. do what you want to AS aslong as you giw me a new TIPR whit it, they neft my crits 2(!) times and whit the help form IPR points im doing fine.. but if they nerf my AS i demand a TIPR


Nerf AS to hell for all i care but i want a TIPR whit that

[___________Comador64]

Dont Touch Aimed Shot.

[____________Squid007]

Please don't touch aimedshot. It's been borked a couple of times already.


It will never be what it once was, and we have learned to accept that.


If it gets any worse, it may as well just be removed from the game entirely along with the agent profession.




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[Xxotik]

don't even think about touching my AS

/me starts working on equipping his queen blade
maybe i should just make a ma or enf instead... then ill have heals or hp and uber weapons

[_____________FlameOn]

Why cant everyone stfu and play for once stop CRYING becuase you died $hit happens everyone dies once in a while think of a better strategy instead of running to Mommy (Post Boards) and cry on her shoulder for support. So he owned you now you want to nerf him stop your Bi*$%ing and fight you are suppose to be Good.

[Julka_Pomy]

Go back to the top you silly thread

Yes AS is Aimed Shot not another good shot. You have to be concealed and do it from where person cant see you.

Same with sneak attack.