Map Navigation Skill

[Emma]

Any chance we can reset this old skill without taking off all our equipment, etc.?

Emma

[Chrisax]

Agreed. A quick check in my org and around shows that it's highly wanted: can you imagine re-equiping Alphas and tricky weapons just to get back the points of a skill that was mandatory and that is now deleted (but not reset) ?

Same for swimming (yes many very old players have some swimming)

[nanoforcer]

swimming and map. nav would make sence to do that with, deprecated and all.

[Nicstorm]

I agree wholeheartedly. I expected these to just reset without any need to unequipp. Please can you change this so we can realign the IP.

Thanks

[Caloss2]

The IP that is visually in swimming and map nav is not actually there, careful with those resets folks, EG I have never spent a single ip in swimming on my shade but the bar says I have 400+ (652 with spirits equip) IP there, it's not. Resetting it does not give the VISIBLE IP

[Chrisax]

The IP that is visually in swimming and map nav is not actually there, careful with those resets folks, EG I have never spent a single ip in swimming on my shade but the bar says I have 400+ (652 with spirits equip) IP there, it's not. Resetting it does not give the VISIBLE IP

Maybe you have something weird on your character, but everyone I checked with, and myself, have -as far as we can estimate- an appropriate number of points displayed in those skills compared to what we put in along the years.

[Raggy]

Why the hell do you have points in Swimming and Map Nav anyway?

[Litestrider]

This would be very nice obviously, but do they even have the ability to let us reset IP without unequipping everything if they wanted to?

[rayje-defunct]

to my knowledge, i never IPd either of those skills and found them maxed when i logged in... WTF? absolutely should be reset to 0 if theyre being disabled anyway and especially if they sucked up points i didnt have a say in placing...

[Bendaar]

Maybe you have something weird on your character, but everyone I checked with, and myself, have -as far as we can estimate- an appropriate number of points displayed in those skills compared to what we put in along the years.

I did a full IP reset on my keeper before the patch, ended up with 18453500 IP (which should be the usual maximum) and my swimming and map nav bars were still full after the patch.

[Caloss2]

Maybe you have something weird on your character, but everyone I checked with, and myself, have -as far as we can estimate- an appropriate number of points displayed in those skills compared to what we put in along the years.

Roll a new toon, check map nav and swimming and you will see the same VISUAL BUG at lvl 1 with out ever spending IP.

[Wakizaka]

to my knowledge, i never IPd either of those skills and found them maxed when i logged in... WTF? absolutely should be reset to 0 if theyre being disabled anyway and especially if they sucked up points i didnt have a say in placing...

It's just a visual thing, it didn't cost you any IP.

[Caloss2]

THERE IS NO IP TO CLAIM IN SWIMMING AND MAP NAV; THIS IS A KNOWN VISUAL BUG FROM TEST LIVE AND BETA, ANY IP IN THOSE SKILLS HAS BEEN REFUNDED TO YOU ALREADY

Is that a little clearer?

[Chrisax]

Dear big red letters writer, please accept my apology but if what you say is accurate and if this IP has be refunded, then I should have more IP available now than I had before the patch, right? But it's not the case. I have -and everyone I checked with too- the same points now than before the patch.

Is that a little clearer? Now, instead of shouting, you could simply analyze with us what the concern is, with possibly several different cases, so we can provide useful feedback in a clear and simple way to Michi who has already enough on his plate.

@Raggy: if you wonder why some people have IP in such things like Map navigation (and more occasionally Swimming), it's because, long ago, in AO, this was the only way to have all map upgrades. You made implants for map navigation, and use IP for the rest. There was no such thing like perks, no fancy SL / AI items, etc. I speak of a time where we had to gather 70 people to kill Mercenaries in Warrnet. Oh and, in the Stret river, sharks were eating you slowly if they caught you, and having a Yalmaha was luxury at that time, so better swim a bit better! But that's a time not many remember. Michi was there already though

[Caloss2]

Dear big red letters writer, please accept my apology but if what you say is accurate and if this IP has be refunded, then I should have more IP available now than I had before the patch, right?

No, wrong.

The maximum amount of IP for any character level has already been calculated for what is possible WITH 18.7 , if you had any of THIS IP in swimming and mapnav over this amount then you now have it back.

IS THIS ANY CLEARER. ?

Roll a brand new toon, check skills window and oh look at lvl one with zero kills you have 1500 ip yet have two maxed skills swimming and map nav.

The big red writing is so people don't waste Mitchi's or their time with an issue already raised on BETA and test live countless times over a year ago and has already been answered.

Don't chase after IP you will not get. It is not actually there.

Roll that new toon and you will see the exact same thing lvl 1 1500 ip maxed map nav and swimming, waste an ip reset and you will still have the exact same 1500 ip.

I remember walking backwards made you do an impression of jebuz over stret river/newland lake and any other water mass in the game.


18.7 you have less ip to spend in total at any level than you did previously because two skills have been removed and one added/modified.
The new model of max available IP over a new skills set has been changed.

You will never get the skill shown in map nav or swimming, because it no longer exists.

If you try and use a singular reset point, it will not work and you will get an error message.

This is like trying to explain that your life hasn't gotten shorter with the introduction of a new calender to the Romans; as it is to you.

[Marketguy]

You would have to admit that seeing a skill with points in and with a reset button means to any normal person that there is something to reset. Anyhow, assuming you are right, and that's still not very clear, you don't need to be so nervous hey

[Emma]

Then why does my skill window say that I can reset my Map Navigation or Swimming skill for FREE?

Maybe we could get a Funcom answer?

Emma

[Caloss2]

Then why does my skill window say that I can reset my Map Navigation or Swimming skill for FREE?

Maybe we could get a Funcom answer?

Emma

We did over a year ago.

Roll a new toon and try it.

[Litestrider]

Thinking about this, I really don't see the point.

The only situation I can see this really being a pressing matter would be for someone who's already in their "final" setup, with alphas or whatever other hard-to-twink items they have already on, and they don't want to tear down and retwink their character.

But then... why would anyone ever set up such a character without optimizing their IP? Ask anyone around and they'll tell you that any IP left in swimming or map nav was completely wasted, and you should use your full IP reset before putting on your alphas as well. If you had extra IP tied up in those skills, you were already due a retwink and reset, with or without the skills going obsolete.

Think about the adventuring skill for example, the vast majority of people see 0 use for this skill. I know the only thing I can actually remember using it on is the inf boots which can be easily handled by trickle + imps/symbs. If someone got to 220 and put their alphas on with a bunch of IP in adventuring, and then started whining that they should be given a special gear-on IP reset for it, you'd slap them upside the head and call them stupid!

I'm not going to call you guys stupid or hit you, but I am going to say that this request seems pretty silly and I think you should just bite the bullet and retwink, because you already should have done that before the patch hit if you ask me

[rayje-defunct]

i will say, since they changed grid armor to taking bne instead of MC, i was resetting anyway so i did notice factually that they might look full but aren't.