New Inferno Mission Instance...

[nanoforcer]

Spawn a new wave as soon as all mobs from current wave are dead, fixed! Also apply to city / ship boss room as a bonus. Michi? :-)

[Adeptall2]

As well i just did an old inf hard and compared to the new inf hards the old ones can give nearly double the sk per mob, plus theres more of them. And plus i do old inf hards in 25 minutes, the new ones take min 50 mins to an hour cause of the slow respawn. Which makes the new easies the only ones even remotely worth doing. For research instead of leveling its even worse.

As it stands old inf missions are still much better experience for the time invested. Really would like this fixed.




Side note: I understand the new loot is pretty nice but you cannot trade good loot for reduced experience in a made for leveling zone. Id easily trade in all of the loot for a leveling experience that is faster than the old ones, as well as more pleasant.

[Cyberleet]

So after all I can just say, it is kinda boring and no real challenge,

Yeah. It's not just about XP-rate so, but value of gameplay.

They should make missions for better level-ranges. Like this;

• Easy to 170-204,
• Medium to 205-214
• hard to 215-220.

This way it's more fun for us (even with hard mobs a 218 player will make it easy for a 205) and easier to make for FC.

Loot could be worked more cleverly on. Plz, high ql clusters, imps, stimulants, towers and midlevel-nanos.

.So I would suggest, spawn less monsters, but harder ones, and more at a time so that it is a real challenge but can be finished faster than regular missions so you get the same xp/hour amount in the end.

Or, getting xp-part = fast and easy. Getting loot-reward = harder and more timeconsuming.

how minibosses drop inf key pb patterns so one can gather those too at a slow pace while leveling.

Shoulda just dropped symbs/imps/clusters.

The reward itself is xp (i assume) therefor aimed for lvlers who might not have the best gear, best nanos or the 'best' professions

But people are skipping content and just get DB-nanos/some essential rk-nanos anyway

I think Michi himself stated that the content should be easy enough to solo if one absolutely wanted to do that.

There is already dailies tho. lol, too lazeh to make soloversions

[DigitalBath]

Again, Cyberleet seems to have no concept of what that would really bring population-wise (no teams due no not enough people in most ranges).

Check my post in the other thread you've hijacked to suggest the exact same thing for why it most likely wouldn't work.

[Cyberleet]

Again, Cyberleet seems to have no concept of what that would really bring population-wise (no teams due no not enough people in most ranges).

I disagree with this. I think you are wrong. Loot-rewards needs to be worked on tho.

[DigitalBath]

So.. segregating level ranges and limiting the already scarce population's pool for teaming brings more teams? How?

EDIT: Some context:

I just logged on my 161 fixer and looked in LFT.

Current rules give me a total of 3 people I can team with.
Your rules give me a total of 1 person I can team with. (froob though, rk mishes only)

This is what's wrong with it.

[Cyberleet]

So.. segregating level ranges and limiting the already scarce population's pool for teaming brings more teams? How?

Why can't you team with people in your range in Ado or Pen? Maybe cause all go to inf and team with 220?

Your rules give me a total of 1 person I can team with.

But...my rules are not implemented

U got 2 understand that nerfing something while offering a compensation will change playerbehaviour. I am not sure how it is in certain levelranges. Is it so that kitespots often are occupied? So it is enough 2 team with all the time?

[DigitalBath]

You're not getting it.

Realistically, there are not enough people in your proposed level range. It doesn't matter where they are right now or if they're going to inf or staying in ado/pen. There are none! Your solution would make it harder for people to get teams!
LFT is global and I'm a neutral so I can team with anyone I want to. Your solution would make me unable to get more than 1 person (the froob I mentioned) instead of getting 4 people and just needing 2 more for a full team.

Yours is worse.

Please understand that.

Why can't you team with people in your range in Ado or Pen? Maybe cause all go to inf and team with 220?

Because there aren't enough people online in your proposed level range in most timezones for even 1 team. I am one of the old school idiots that still does adonis hecks until 180 if I find people doing it. But it's brutally rare. The best you usually get in ado is a 220 OST and his 1-2 alts.. and then you join in to help DD. I have had some exceptions to this lately but they're few and far between because there's just not enough people 140-180 to justify it.

But...my rules are not implemented

And I'm glad they're not likely to ever be implemented as they are bad for the current population / levels split.

[Cyberleet]

I think it will be similar changes and it would be for the better.

Realistically, there are not enough people in your proposed level range.

And this is where we disagree. It would be enough 2 play with in my estimation.

Your solution would make it harder for people to get teams!

I think it will make it easier for people to get teams within their range.

LFT is global and I'm a neutral so I can team with anyone I want to.

Wait to see lft after it is implemented. The change from how it was will improve I think.

Yours is worse.

Please understand that.

No u.

[DigitalBath]

The difference between us is that I back my statements with real-world data. I log in and check who's on and who's lft in several ranges.

You dream and make up estimations that won't be taken seriously (because they shouldn't).

This is the reason I'll stop arguing with you here. My point stands until you get any valid amount of data to back up your suggestion.

[Cyberleet]

That AO has low-population is not new.

Games rise and fall on gameplay.

You predict doom and gloom while knowing my suggestion most likely creates a better gameplayexperience.

The difference between us is that I back my statements with real-world data.

No u didn't. I did.

[DigitalBath]

I'm not predicting anything. I'm logging in and checking what would happen if your scenario was implemented. It's not the same thing.

[Cyberleet]

I'm logging in and checking what would happen if your scenario was implemented.

Less waiting for a 220 roller?

You dream and make up estimations that won't be taken seriously (because they shouldn't).

So we disagree on something.

[Adeptall2]

Agree with digital, cyber your ideas are horrible for the state of the game. Would be very detrimental.

[DigitalBath]

Less waiting for a 220 roller?

There are NO people I could team with in your level range on LFT right now. Can't you get this? lol.
So.. nope... no waiting because I would be solo'ing (or duo'ing RK missions with the froob).

I should add that there are more active 220's than active levelers at any point in this game past 2006.
It's the nature of MMO's to have more active max level toons than levelers, it happens in all major titles from WoW to EQ to.. AO.

[Cyberleet]

cyber your ideas are horrible for the state of the game. Would be very detrimental.

Getting more content and more to play with within your own range would not be detrimental imo.

There are NO people I could team with in your level range on LFT right now. Can't you get this? lol.

omfg...so it would be more 2 play with witin your range. Don't you get it?

Also:
if the kiteselling is a good buisness it is obviously enough 2 team with at other ranges aswell.

[DigitalBath]

omfg...so it would be more 2 play with witin your range. Don't you get it?

So the 1 froob I have to team with your rules with is more than the 4 people I have on the current rules?

You might want to check that again.

EDIT: Kite selling is not that great business nowadays. You have a maximum of 12 people doing it at any point (in the main spot) and usually they are split between two of your proposed ranges so the lower one would likely not be able to team while the higher one would get 1 team and some spares. Guess what's gonna happen in the real world?

Btw, I have never leveled a character primarily through kiting and I'm around since 2003. I've kited spirits on my NT between 215 and 217 because back then the only alternative was inferno hecks (this was a really long time ago.. before spirit xp nerf, too) and I wanted a change of pace.. but it was a brief period.

[Cyberleet]

So the 1 froob I have to team with your rules with is more than the 4 people I have on the current rules?

have you checked what players within your your power-range are occupied with? We simply disagree. I don't think it would be a very noticable lack of players to team with even if the leveling-ranges was fixed. I think it would be slightly better infact and backed up my claims with facts. I also don't see anyone disagreing with how I think playing within your own range might produce a better gameplay-experience for most players. That is if they work a little more on loot-rewards tho.

[DigitalBath]

They're occupied with being logged off. There aren't enough people 130-170 to form teams in most timezones. This was evident when the ely beach scene and ado heck scene started dying out, which came before inf missions were popular at 160. (back then a 160 in inf was uncommon and would rarely make it into a team, making the effort of getting there mostly wasted).

You're too close-minded to understand what's wrong with your suggestion. Gladly, I'm not the only one disagreeing here and you'll see, with time, how that suggestion will not be implemented.

Let's talk about it in a year.

[Cyberleet]

Having a single full-gear 220 is already highly imbalancing for these missions.

Agree. I think ranges should be fixed. It should be similar to Battlestation-ranges.