Pitlizard adventurer morph is overpowered currently.

[blackhawks]

Just been having a few duels with a reasonable setup adventurer, with an enf with the best gear available yet with the new pitlizard morph that gives 220 advys 11k hp the chances of me killing them even with MR are pretty much 0. No chance I can get his 27k hp down even when coon is not used.

The advy had more hp than my enfo hows that work?

I suggest it be toned down to something around the 7k hp mark.

Discuss.

[Technorabbit]

Doesn't it only work outdoors?

[blackhawks]

Works indoors as well now. Size has been reduced.

[Laiho]

Hey guys, sorry for my bad English, german here .
I am the Adv black did some duels agaist. I did some twinkage now, and with cm and some hp setup ill reach 32k hp now. I think adv can easily get to 36 k hp.. even without Ibehe and doc hp. Pit Lizard gives 11k hp+ 11k to all ACs.. in my eyes its to overpowered and need to be fixed. Give Pitlizard Form like 6k hp.. that should be enough.
Thanks and again.. sorry f0r my english

[Esssch]

My enf on Test has very close to the same gear as my enf on Live (enf on Live has finished alphas, AI25 or 26, but Test version has DB Protector Module and defensive attunement device and full CM/ofab helm instead of CM/ofab/ejathos), enf on Live fully self-buffed hits 67-68k hp. On Test, hits maybe 48k-ish. Just to give people a bit more of a frame of reference for these HP values adv can get compared to enfs.

[blackhawks]

Well sure but your going to need challenger vs an adventurer generally, and thats a loss of 15k hp as you can't have large health buff up with challenger.

[Caloss2]

If your enf has less than 27k hp they are not set up too well dude @/ even if they are nano mange.

[blackhawks]

Obviously don't know pvp setups then. With MoM 9 and brawler 4 im sitting at 25k hp in full cc/alphas/db3 hud/acdc etc. Sure its my choice to have such a low hp setup, but even with FoT 10 i'd only be hitting around 28k. With 5k loss from mongo.

[Caloss2]

Obviously don't know pvp setups then. With MoM 9 and brawler 4 im sitting at 25k hp in full cc/alphas/db3 hud/acdc etc. Sure its my choice to have such a low hp setup, but even with FoT 10 i'd only be hitting around 28k. With 5k loss from mongo.

So what you are saying is you are choosing a low HP set up, but also complaining about other classes having more HP than you if they choose to set up/buff that way? I am confused, but yes I do know pvp set ups, low hp low crits and so forth, adv also share the CH nerf with docs so more hp isn't that huge a benefit to them as it is not to you in pvp. PVM sure enfs go for massive hp, as do fixers as the endgame hot is 6% of total hp etc

[blackhawks]

No i'm not complaning that they have more HP than me that was just a remark I made to get the issue across, still an advy should not be able to have around 30k hp with CH/DOF/Coon, even the advys on testlive agree its stupid.

[Caloss2]

No i'm not complaning that they have more HP than me that was just a remark I made to get the issue across, still an advy should not be able to have around 30k hp with CH/DOF/Coon.

I get you now, well pretty much everyone isn't happy with certain aspects of the latest patch, I think it just needs feed back being delivered constructively to get it tweaked, like the NT DM ultra nerf. It was ill conceived and didn't work in the current game environment. I have a 13 year old adv, but I hardly play him, and he's certainly not the limit of my game.

[Traderjill]

Some of the stuff that's on TestLive makes me wonder what was happening in the 8 months or so of Beta Testing. I mean people are finding things in a couple days that no one managed to point out in several months?

[blackhawks]

There was no Auto on the beta so no one could properly test most the changes.

[Traderjill]

There was no Auto on the beta so no one could properly test most the changes.

So what were people doing?

[Cratertina]

You mean to tell me Advy is now a proper tank that might actualy be used in pvm content?

And rocks in pvp? Becouse of high HP? Surtenly this Lizard form costs advy 100+ evades. And it's about damn time advy becomes useful as a pvm tank. Lord knows advy has no damage and inadequate heals.

If advy can beat enfo in pvp who cares? Will this advy also beat soldiers, crats, engis, docs and fixers? If so then by all means nerf it, preferably via evades drop.

Keep HP high, Advy needs 30k+ hp to be viable tank.

[JustinSane4]

Not enough time to get from lvl 1 to endgame setups on beta. Testlive this week is the first balance test for reasonable TL7 setups with these changes.

[Traderjill]

Not enough time to get from lvl 1 to endgame setups on beta. Testlive this week is the first balance test for reasonable TL7 setups with these changes.

Yeah I know.. I am being a tad out of character and trolling a bit I guess Mainly because I spent the past 3 months complaining about the lack of Auto on Beta and the failure for anyone to test endgame.. all while the Beta groupies did nothing but down me as some sort of heck noob for not wanting to manually level a toon.

Just poking fun at this point because really these issues should've been worked out months ago had the beta been run properly.

[Neista]

Anyone else get the feeling all this patch is going to do is replace one lot of balance issues with another?

[Mountaingoat]

YES!!! Anything that makes life harder for enforcers I support. Ccl about advs being harder to kill for the rest of us, as long as enforcers die I am happy.

[Caloss2]

Some of the stuff that's on TestLive makes me wonder what was happening in the 8 months or so of Beta Testing. I mean people are finding things in a couple days that no one managed to point out in several months?

Some asked about having auto put on beta so they could test all this stuff and feedback error and bugs, but it was poh pohed by the "test elite" I believe, shame they didn't take the suggestion of enabling auto on board as all these findings could have been reported several months ago. Ah well at least we are finding them now.