Level-lock Camelot 75+ level, what ya think?

[____________Psiraven]

Just a question.

[Mercatura]

A hundred bumps yes.

Too bad polls can't be level locked

[Twicer]

a level lock might work, but would exclude a lot of people from even seeing the dungeon, and I dont believe in exclusions like that, my poor nanomage brain shrieks at the idea of it. The very same applies to Jobe when that comes really - I doubt people will be excluded from it, except maybe for shopping.

Personally I'd like it to be a quest-dungeon to be completely honest. To be able to get the quest you would receive a master key, and a Master Key duper, and it would last for a minute. During that minute you will be able to duplicate keys for a particular zone, into which all holders of the keys are transferred, like the fixer grid works. Put a timer on each of the persons that uses the key - set it to 24 hours, so people cant get a 30-person-team together and do camelot-runs all day.

I dont care much for the onslaught going on inside there right now - I was in there this weekend (well, still weekend really) just for fun.. but its not fun =) its not an equal playingfield, either its completely dominated by clans, or its completely dominated by omni. 2holes is a lot more fun than Camelot anyday, at least thats my opinion. Sure - 2holes has the bunkercamping thing, and that sucks - but camelot has a non-penetrable boxroom.

Another factor that naturally matters is that Camelot is really about one thing when it all boils down to it - loot. The ingredient of loot really brings out the worst in everyone. Thats why there's so much hate spreading - 2holes has this too, but to a lot less degree. In 2holes you expect to kill or be killed or generally just have a nice time mucking around PvP'ing if you're into that sorta thing, but Camelot is a nervewrecker. Its not about PvP'ing for the sake of having fun, its PvP'ing for the sake of getting loot. And the (few) persons that DO get to Camelot to have PvP for fun, well - those persons often get the experience ruined by the boxroom and the fact that while they do the fighting, a bunch of other people are getting loot from the dragon.

I'm not saying getting loot from the dragon is easy, I really dont, but in my honest opinion, this is far too largescale for any.. BOT to handle, besides, whoever decided on a bot anyway - I'm pretty sure FC didnt say "to get loot, joo must adhere to this guilds demands..."

Sheesh.. first thing.. if you havent been there but you are interested in joining the raffle for the darned things, you have to submit your name to a bot.. does anyone else than me see something wrong with that? Its a public dungeon, heh.. If a guild or two held the Nelebs dungeon like this, pegging Neleb everytime requesting people to join the a bot chat go get him they would be laughed at. Oh yes, the bots name is "Acambot" just so you know it.. noone would give out this obviously in the castle, to minimize participants in the raffle..

I really think Camelot needs some attending - and yesh, I would love the loot as much as anyone else, but like most, there is no way in the pit of hades I would ever get it =) I can live with that though, if FC doesnt do anything, but I tell you - the overcrowding issues as well as the fact that unless something is done about peoples teams getting split up between GS's, and engineerwarping and whatnots.. this is just a keg of dynamite ready to blow anytime soon.. I dont see people going :
"YAY! We're going to Camelot!"
I see people going "Oh lord, I hope I get loot this time, have to find a team, must find a team here, whats the bots name again"... its a bad situation that needs to be dealt with =)

I'm pretty sure you will flame me to death for this - hehe.. Go ahead - do your worst *snicker* I'm sticking to my opinions, and I stand for them. They wont change =)

[____________Halfdeck]

Thumbs up for level lock. Anyway you look at it, ninja looting via lowbies is lame. And if you think lvl 75 is too high a bar, you need to level up some Most people can get from lvl 1-75 in less than a week.


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[_____________Firefly]

People can still ninja after 75, this is what its all about really isnt it?

[Mercatura]

I'd die for "mission dungeons" but FC lacks the guts/brains/karma/? to do it.

Given that, I don't give a flying **** about some 74- who wants to "see" the dungeon. They can get off their butt, level and then experience the dungeon.

Running down at 20 to look at everything with no risk to yourself since all the mobs were wiped out to prevent trains is never a good reason to let lowbie ninjas ruin 40+ people's effort. Some little ***** ninja alt simply doesn't deserve to have that kind of power over other players. Dunno why GMs don't see it as griefing or do jack about it.

The main problem I see with bots is the chat engine (spam ruins communication, the bots lag and dont reply fast, etc etc)
Bots do let many people get a chance at loot, otherwise it would be a killstealling gankhappy freeforall in T's room. Like sticking neleb in a 25% zone lol, imagine that crap. You'd have to be 180+ or have their help just to loot it.

If you're over 130 (omni) or 125? (clan) you do stand a chance at loot now as far as I know. Its not a big chance but demand>>>supply and all that.

[Mercatura]

People can still ninja after 75, this is what its all about really isnt it?

Its a whole lot easier to blow someone away at 75+, regardless of side. Its much harder for them to come running down there a lot of the time as well. If you try to "plant" a ninja of the opposite side over 75, first you have to convince everyone on your side to let them run by first to log at T. This makes you look real bad in some circles. I know I'd /org kick, /ignore and /tell everyone about a person in my guild if I knew they were helping plant a ninja. I doubt I'm the only one.

14.6 adds loot messages to team channel I think, so it will only be the Lone Ninjas™ after that

At least everything on T isn't nodrop lol.

[_____________Firefly]

Aha! today I spoke with a mr. 'kenshin69' a 54 ma who wanted to see camalot and tarasque, I dont think he has much time to level but why should you deny him this.

If he asked, and had someone to escort him, would you still say no?

And not every pre 75 is going to pull mobs or is a newbie :]

I dunno, just leave it like it is.

Just getting into the right dungeon can be a pain when you want to help your friends.
Infact , its even more anyoing when you win the raffle, on a nodrop item, and cant get backinto the right gs, ah! :P



But it think everyone in this game should have an equal chance to get tarasque, and it should beable to be spawned by a master key, which can be copied to those who want to join/help.

IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN but hey, at least everyone will be happy ;p

[_________Divinecross]

Probably could cut back on some lag prevent people from making alts to spy / ninja. If lv 55 wants to see camelot they would have to lv up some. Place is there for high lvs so high lv should be the only ones in there. If low lv wants see it then he has something lv up for and look forward to.

[____________Psiraven]

Hey, Funcom, if you're reading this look at this way...

One level 20 character cheated and wasted the efforts of OVER EIGHTY OMNI players...many of whom logged off your game in disgust after the raid. I know I did.

Guess what is going to happen when another hyped MMORPG comes out. These same players are going to say to themselves, 'too much bull***t happens in AO. These game mechanics are stupid. I'm leaving.'

Level lock Camelot.

[Peisinoe]

Bump. And so what if some level 50 wants to see camelot? Maybe we should just make that level 50 level 200 as well so they don't have to put any effort in the game.

Frankly, I think the level lock should be 150+. So many people I tab in there are grey. Would cut down on some lag I think. Kind of insane the amount of numbers that go as it is.

[OddLogic]

190+ even.

[Twicer]

heheh...

Halfdeck.. I'm level 200.. not level 50 =)

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oh, hey - why not put the level lock at 200? =) even less lag =)

Here's an idea too - why not make it exclusive to guilds with 20 level 200 characters?

Actually - better yet, make it 30... if you want to be uber you have to pay for it!

Any kind of limitation on where you can go, depending on level, is in my honest opinion wrong. The same goes for the quest level limit on Tirbo Ratcatcher =) noone with the least self-respect would do that one at level 20 I believe, unless they are REALLY poor and really new to the game.

to put a level cap on items, nanos, and weapons, I can (barely) understand, although that as well is pretty bad, especially since one of the reasons metas has mochams is that so we can cast it on others =P and I feel the exact same way about dungeons too - if you have the skills for it - shoot. Do *NOT* try to convince me its not possible to kill Tarasque with two 100-140 teams.. When I was there, I went down at level 124 or so, soloed my way to Tarasque, with a Neleb coat on, no head armor and I still got of a number of screenshots of him.

If Camelot becomes 150+ dont you think that the other dungeons deserves a minimum, or maximum level? I can see it before me now.. The Longest road becoming level 50-130... that'd be neat, right? =)

[______________Hayake]

Maybe a better idea would be to erase the pvp level limits completely in camelot. Lower level chars could still go take a peek if they wanted to.

But at least no level 20s could come in and ninja the loot anymore.

[__________BrutalThug]

Originally posted by Psiraven
Just a question.

They would need to remove the lvl req 51+ weapons to another dungeon first..

else it would be a good idea. also make the other dungeons lvl locked then. no need for lvl100+ in OT forest dungeon.. heh

[illfill]

Originally posted by Psiraven
Just a question.

How about 150+

[Bionitrous]

You know that's a really good idea. I wonder if I could get my guild to basically set up shop in Neleb's and prevent anybody else from ever getting the loot or enjoying the experience of fighting through a dungeon to the end and attempting to defeat the boss. Once I get a Linux box setup, I just may create 'Nelebot' and require players to sign up to get a chance at the coat. Or even better, require them to join my guild AND sign up with the bot.

Perhaps, FunCom would then realize how assinine this PvP dungeon of theirs is. Perhaps, if they did a database query and looked at which organizations the majority of the T-loot is in, they'd realize that most of their playerbase is not enjoying that playfield.

[MrForceboy]

Its idiotic to make level locks i get sick and tiered us low lvls cant get int o places IAM TOTTALY AGAINST A LEVEL LOCK ON CAMELOT DUNGEON; AND EVERYTHING ELSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

[Julka_Pomy]

How about we will have to use key to enter camelot dungeon? Which drops from General Right Hand one out of 10 chances. Then we can also make lvl requements on that key 200 and you also need to post a tread of whine on pvp boards to enter camelot.
We can also modify camelot. Lets make it 0% forbid casting all nanos so engi dont beacon warp. Remove ghasap minons or make special hall for them seperated from main tara hall. To get to tarasque you need to go trough huge streight hallway and there flashing sings "loot there" once tarasque is dead it doesnt drop loot but you call GM who then will give 3-4 items to the raffle winners so this way no one will ninjaloot.
Lets also ban all those who logout to free up space ion dungeon so new people can get in. Lets ban those who LD there becasue it can be considered as exploit. You simulate LD so your friend can enter dungeon.
Ah we can also move it to Omni HQ rename it to Phill Ross Headquaters and instead of Lord Gallahad there will be statue to Phill Ross.


Lets introduce all this and other "great" changes to camelot i seen on this boards.

[____________Halfdeck]

Originally posted by Twicer
heheh...

Halfdeck.. I'm level 200.. not level 50 =)

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oh, hey - why not put the level lock at 200? =) even less lag =)

Here's an idea too - why not make it exclusive to guilds with 20 level 200 characters?

Where did i say you were level 50?

LeveL 200 req is fine by me lol I'll still be there


But seriously, bump for a level lock in Camelot. Just take a week leveling to 75, how hard can it be?


Half