Bot Drop Curious

[Archaeopteryx]

I've done like 40 raids since I came back to AO with just some arith bots dropping.
Since i was gonna do a lot of farming, this weekend, for the stuff i need for my lvl 60 twink, I decided to start gathering the data.
Here it is: raid loot
Conclusion.....if you want drops start making charts....

[Reids]

Conclusion.....if you want drops start making charts....

Hasn't helped me

[doctorgore]

True dat.

FC needs to improve city raid drop rates accordingly imo.

They need to nerf ai armor so it sucks. Let the drama begin..

[Reids]

I've done like 40 raids since I came back to AO with just some arith bots dropping.
Since i was gonna do a lot of farming, this weekend, for the stuff i need for my lvl 60 twink, I decided to start gathering the data.
Here it is: raid loot
Conclusion.....if you want drops start making charts....

5 in 25, i've only had 1 spiritual in 40ish raids. FML.

[fakiiri]

total of 50 raid's now. 2 bott drops.

[Liwa]

It is difficult to keep charts in reverse, however, I do have my various versions of AOIA as it was getting caught up with fixes required due to the server merge. I have data as of 3/2/13, 3/9/13, 3/20/13, and as of yesterday 4/12/13. I kept backups of my AOIA database each time I updated it for changes to the AOIA program ... and we keep bots from these farming raids all on one bank toon.

Between 18.6.0 and 18.6.1 our small farming city collected 6 lead bots. That is approx. 10 days of raiding, usually twice a day sometimes 3 raids a day. I say 10 days because we started raiding for ql 75 lead bots and bio-mat a few days before the merge.

Since 18.6.1 to date we have accumulated only 3 more lead bots ...

18.6.1 was released March 7th, so that is only 3 lead bots in more than 5 weeks. We have continued to do at least 2 raids per day usually 3, sometimes 4 per day.

It seems obvious to me that there was a Ninja Loot-table change in 18.6.1 ...

Funcom - Please confess to the change to the loot tables and put them back as they were before ...

Kinnik

[Deemure]

Since the merge, I have been attempting to farm some bots for a set of armor for a new toon. In roughly 100 raids have seen precisely 3 bots (and one was silly stupid undersized for the size of the raid). So really only 2 useful bot. Statistically, that does not correlate with a 10% stated drop rate. I have seem some comments on other posts that some are seeing 30% drop rates. Is there a pattern to those higher drop rates? Different city playfields, different city "size" or buildings, does side impact the rate. Lots of questions, but not a whole lot of answers. Mostly looking for more data here.

[Utopian]

I was on a real bad streak prior to merge, so once merge happened, I started tracking all my city raids. Post merge iCity, small plot, raids by 220s (either 2 or 4) and all data from my own raids, so I know it is accurate.

A few things I have noticed -

1) drop rate is higher than it was for me prior to merge (although Spirit/End are most common, other 4 fairly even). Overall rate 13.7%

2) Coon room rate is much lower (35 ships - would expect more than 2 coon rooms) - used to be about 1 in 7/8 raids, would have expected at least 4 (12.5%, 1:8 from prior tracking).

3) Ship rate (w/o coon rooms) is consistent with ground rates - 13.7% vs 12.1%

will post again after the next 50 or so raids - would like some feedback from others on coon rooms. Is my current rate being seen by others or just a bad streak right now.

city								
general    >	coon	ankari	cha	ilari	jaax	rimah	xoch	total
number     >	-	29	27	30	18	19	30	153
bots       >	-	3	3	6	1	3	5	21
occur rate >	-	19.0%	17.6%	19.6%	11.8%	12.4%	19.6%	-
drop rate  >	-	10.3%	11.1%	20.0%	5.6%	15.8%	16.7%	13.7%
								
ship								
admiral    >	coon	ankari	cha	ilari	jaax	rimah	xoch	total
number     >	2	8	6	7	4	3	5	35
bots       >	2	1	1	1	1	0	0	6
occur rate >	5.7%	22.9%	17.1%	20.0%	11.4%	8.6%	14.3%	-
drop rate  >	100.0%	12.5%	16.7%	14.3%	25.0%	0.0%	0.0%	17.1%
								
combined								
all boss   >	coon	ankari	cha	ilari	jaax	rimah	xoch	total
number     >	2	37	33	37	22	22	35	188
bots       >	2	4	4	7	2	3	5	27
drop rate  >	100.0%	10.8%	12.1%	18.9%	9.1%	13.6%	14.3%	14.4%

[Liwa]

Since the merge, I have been attempting to farm some bots for a set of armor for a new toon. In roughly 100 raids have seen precisely 3 bots (and one was silly stupid undersized for the size of the raid). So really only 2 useful bot. Statistically, that does not correlate with a 10% stated drop rate. I have seem some comments on other posts that some are seeing 30% drop rates. Is there a pattern to those higher drop rates? Different city playfields, different city "size" or buildings, does side impact the rate. Lots of questions, but not a whole lot of answers. Mostly looking for more data here.

I don't know if side or size of the city plot makes a difference ... I suppose it could.

We have been farming with the new small Icity - Neutral ... with one lvl 60 toon present from the city's "owner-guild" for the raids.

Since we started keeping track we have done 15 raids with zero lead-bots dropping ... much less than a 10 or 15% drop rate obviously.

Kinnik

[Utopian]

I don't know if side or size of the city plot makes a difference ... I suppose it could.

We have been farming with the new small Icity - Neutral ... with one lvl 60 toon present from the city's "owner-guild" for the raids.

Since we started keeping track we have done 15 raids with zero lead-bots dropping ... much less than a 10 or 15% drop rate obviously.

Kinnik

I went back through my raid sheet - I've had 10, 11, 14, 16 and 20 streaks with no bots on the ground raids. Two good streaks were 5 in 15 (33%) and 9 in 34 (26%). Both of these streaks started and ended with one of those bad streaks. Please post as you keep going - would be interesting to see more data.

I also cannot believe there is a difference based on faction (that would truly be a kick in the nads). But, I was wondering about city size, team size and level of toons - seems those are things that "could" be factored in by FC. So far, it doesn't seem to matter with 2 or 4 toon ground raids. Can't speak to toon level - all my data is with 220s.

[Lazy]

Since we started keeping track we have done 15 raids with zero lead-bots dropping ... much less than a 10 or 15% drop rate obviously.

Kinnik

a wonderful and statistically significant sample. very useful. thank you for this valuable contribution.

[fakiiri]

Farming ehm.. Raiding on large city plot with small HQ here.

[Anarrina]

Since you are now using this to track your bot drops, apparently, its really more appropriate here.

Also, mind the snark people. If you have a disagreement, do it politely.

[Liwa]

Since you are now using this to track your bot drops, apparently, its really more appropriate here.

Also, mind the snark people. If you have a disagreement, do it politely.

If we are questioning whether or not Funcom has changed the loot tables for AI Generals with the latest patch and/or the server merge and by doing so we are comparing our experience to see if it is in fact a Ninja change made by Funcom or just bad luck ...

Why does that mean this thread belongs in the Life on Rubika forums???

At least I was questioning whether or not their was a Ninja change in the latest patch ... I was not intending to simply compare results for posterity.

Kinnik

[Deemure]

Very true. Given the lack or transparency, or at the risk of offending fc, honesty in what they do or have done this thread was to try to get some data that would either confirm or contradict fc's assertions that a) the average drop rate is 10% (not close based on the posts to date), b) whether it is dependent on other factors such as city size, location, or side, and c) whether the type of bot is consistent to the drop rate (about 16% for each type) which also does not seem consistent. So this thread definately belongs in the originating thread, unless as is often the case fc is trying to bury facts so they do not have to acknowledge the ninja nerfs that seem to emerge in every patch.

[Vhab]

Bot drop rate is speculated about pretty much every other patch these days.
The drop rate has not been modified.

Don't draw conclusions on such small data samples, you can't get accurate statistics like that.
Also, you're comparing against a figure that the community has "decided" the drop rate is.

[Manicmouse]

Also, you're comparing against a figure that the community has "decided" the drop rate is.

Mind. Blown.

But I doubt FC would make a drop rate of 9.7453% but you never know

[Pennypacker]

Also, you're comparing against a figure that the community has "decided" the drop rate is.

Questioning the community, BLASPHEMY !!!!!!!!!

Tiihii

[Esssch]

Bot drop rate is speculated about pretty much every other patch these days.
The drop rate has not been modified.

Neither was BoC droprate

[Liamboru]

Don't draw conclusions on such small data samples, you can't get accurate statistics like that.

How many would you suggest?

Also, you're comparing against a figure that the community has "decided" the drop rate is.

Although I saw a post not too long ago in which someone claimed that someone from FC had stated what the drop rate is...I have never actually seen FC say what the drop rate is...so what else is left? Put simply, what is the drop rate supposed to be?

To add my inexact "science" to the mix, before I left AO two years ago, I had logged about 1000 raids. I was getting bot drops about 16% of the time. Although I was told it is random, for some reason, I attracted Ilari more than Cha, so my rate of bots was skewed toward spiritual at nearly 4% and away from supple at only about 1%....