ERBP or Bastion Back?

[Arlancor]

Hello fellow engineers!

So my engie "Blackblock" is now 220 and Im working on the setup.
Got myself alot of important nodrop items and Im slowly progressing my symbs.

Focus have so far been HP and DMG. For that purpose the ERBP would be perfect. On the other hand the Bastion back have a neat rs boost (might help abit to catch all the runners in bs?) alongside with some nanoskill points.

Suggestions on what I should pick and why?

Not sure wether to go with the xan guns (got 2x lusts for it) or OH+AMEP. Open for suggestions. Im leaning towards the xan guns as I have OH on my fixer.

[McKnuckleSamwich]

I use ERBP, AMEP+OH.

Personally, I think it's a nobrainer. The extra AR (25% ME) on AMEP is just so good to have for dropping AI perks.

The effect of a more reliable AS in PVP is significantly offset by lack of HP, and, ultimately, inability to land AI perks reliably.

Some other benefits to onehander are the accessibility of shotty perks (1 with 5% check), which also comes with a lot of nice add dmg.

I have both ERBP+Bastion back on my engi and tbh I can't think of one situation where Bastion outperforms it.

one nice thing about onehander is that you can swap to an SE pistol for PVM stuff, or, if you max MR you can swap to DBEP, or alternately you can swap both weaps to something interesting like a combat remodulator with 2-3 tradeskill hud swaps.

I really like this setup, and I find it's extremely effective in PVP.

[Tessargi]

Hello fellow engineers!

So my engie "Blackblock" is now 220 and Im working on the setup.
Got myself alot of important nodrop items and Im slowly progressing my symbs.

Focus have so far been HP and DMG. For that purpose the ERBP would be perfect. On the other hand the Bastion back have a neat rs boost (might help abit to catch all the runners in bs?) alongside with some nanoskill points.

Suggestions on what I should pick and why?

Not sure wether to go with the xan guns (got 2x lusts for it) or OH+AMEP. Open for suggestions. Im leaning towards the xan guns as I have OH on my fixer.

ERBP, as for weapons I would go for Troa+peh. Trust me, you don't want to chase people around with 1.9k rs just so you can hit an AS becase of onehanders crap range.
@McKnuckleSamwich there is no significant offset by lack of HP and inability to land AI perks. First because you can get 20khp with troah+peh which is enough to withstand against an enf+shade alpha if you time your perks right, and who cares about AI perks? your pets + your specials will do the work

[MassDebater]

The extra 300 hp of erbp is offset and then some by the bastion HD.

50 nano init
100 RS
20 burst
20 chem
20 NR
20 AR

vs
+40 damage per hit.

For duels vs RK2 people where you both stand still the erbp will probably be superior.

For regular pvp where you use your whole toolset and skill then bastion is better.

[aramsunat]

I am AMEP+OH and I endorse ERBP. The add dmg helps with OH AS

but go Troa+peh if you want to flap your epeen in duels

[Takun]

For regular pvp where you use your whole toolset and skill then bastion is better.

Considering skill is singular I think you are implying that 'whole toolset' is singular as well. Thus I infer that by 'whole toolset' you meant aimed shot and by skill you meant pushing 'o'.

[Lazy]

Considering skill is singular I think you are implying that 'whole toolset' is singular as well. Thus I infer that by 'whole toolset' you meant aimed shot and by skill you meant pushing 'o'.

pushing o is arguably the most important skill in ao. followed closely by pushing w.

[McKnuckleSamwich]

Considering skill is singular I think you are implying that 'whole toolset' is singular as well. Thus I infer that by 'whole toolset' you meant aimed shot and by skill you meant pushing 'o'.

thread win.

pushing o is arguably the most important skill in ao. followed closely by pushing w.

response tied with previous for even more thread for win.

[aramsunat]

In the above case, the best is Reanimated Ranger cloak. 150 runspeed and AS skill on backitem!

[MassDebater]

Considering skill is singular I think you are implying that 'whole toolset' is singular as well. Thus I infer that by 'whole toolset' you meant aimed shot and by skill you meant pushing 'o'.

It's basically like grenade. Instead of pressing Q you press O.

[sannz]

oh gods... he said the g-word. There goes the thread.

[MajorOutage]

eRBP <3

[Takun]

It's basically like grenade. Instead of pressing Q you press O.

Let us not forget about the extensive skill behind pressing 'L' and using 'W' to run ahead of the zerg to setup that install demo (I use 2 for this, your mileage may very) for huge deeps.

Needless to say you don't need a G15 to play AO.

[Rurounin]

I prefer the Bastion back. Less swapping for nano skills as well!

[Tehevolz]

Why not just swap them for the situation?

[MassDebater]

I will have to rethink everything now that perk damage is effected by add damage.

[Ciassene]

go AMEP+Peh'Wer, AS is way too overrated! then you have plenty of choices for back item!

[McKnuckleSamwich]

Aimed shot skill on engi is absolutely annoying as hell.

I've been looking at my setup with AMEP+OH, and it just get annoyed thinking about doing troaler.

just to get it ON is a huge pain.

Remarkably, though, Pewher is selfed in current setup... since when did engies get so much burst?!

[MassDebater]

Tro is way easier than Pehwer.

[McKnuckleSamwich]

Tro is way easier than Pehwer.

pff no.

I can Rclick Pewher

last night I looked at my AS skill and it's like 1124 I think... thats 4 pieces CC, about 270ish EOE, rest are control alphas.

considering you need 1651 to equip, even with TTS, comp ranged specials, eagle eye and 275 scope, still need 60 more.

Not that it's THAT hard... or anything, but, that means ranged reanimator 5/5, a 250 ransacking tower or messing around with imps which is really anoying.

suppose I could just make/borrow/steal a couple more pieces of CC though and then it would pop on pretty easy.

So, do engies use a AS RW ?