Will FC change any pvp level ranges?

[agentwolve]

wasnt there one war were it laddered all the way from level 5 vs a 9 then a 15 to kill the 9 then a 21 to kill the 15 kept on going up until there was 220's pvping more then anyone else.

Has happened before with me and some other tl3 friends ganking at 2h0, fun to see but for towers its a screwed up mechanic

your "roll a toon not in range" is moot. Aslong as other people can pvp/heal who arnt in pvp range of the tower, the mechanics are always going to be flawed

[Obtena]

your "roll a toon not in range" is moot. Aslong as other people can pvp/heal who arnt in pvp range of the tower, the mechanics are always going to be flawed

Well, not moot, at least not to the people crying about how their TL5 twinks in the TL7 risk range are getting ganked. The mechanic can work in your favour if used properly.

I won't get into PVP tactics to much but ideally, the attackers have a good spread of toons from the lowest to highest levels capable to attack the site. It forces the defenders play on the attackers terms. If the defenders don't have suficient lowbie responce, they will have trouble and probably lose beacuse of the timescale of tower attacks. Usually there is only time to mount 2-3 good attempts to defend. Laddering works down as well as up.

[Johnnykay]

your an idiot

I always love when someone says (and spells) this.

[Anarchic1]

FYI, obtena is the enf professional.

Anyways, the main problem with laddering is most of the content in the last 2 years has been top heavy. Giving a huge boost to tl7s and very little to tl5/4/3/2/1. Hence, what you got here, is increasingly more powerful tl7 toons compared the same strenght of a tl5 toon as 2 years ago. That's the main problem. Now, these ranges were constructed a while back before tl7s got all this new love

[Obtena]

That's not the problem at all unless you rolled your TL5 twink into the TL7 range. It's only a problem because of a bad choice made by players.

[Anarchic1]

Unless your twink was there before all these tl7 twinks showed up.... which back then woulnd't work too well at that range but now have received so much love.

Anyways, I don't care if fc changes or doesn't change the level range. My original question is whether they are changing them. Cause I will adapt and make new twinks either way.

[Obtena]

Unless your twink was there before all these tl7 twinks showed up.... which back then woulnd't work too well at that range but now have received so much love.

Anyways, I don't care if fc changes or doesn't change the level range. My original question is whether they are changing them. Cause I will adapt and make new twinks either way.

You don't need those twinks to actually exist to know you were in there range. That's excuses.

As for FC changing PVP level ranges ... it's happened 3 times AFIAK. Now that the laddering is properly applied all the way up to 220, I would bet it's not going to change but like you said, even if it does, the people that want to do NW will just reroll anyways.

[McKnuckleSamwich]

wasnt there one war were it laddered all the way from level 5 vs a 9 then a 15 to kill the 9 then a 21 to kill the 15 kept on going up until there was 220's pvping more then anyone else.

Has happened before with me and some other tl3 friends ganking at 2h0, fun to see but for towers its a screwed up mechanic

your "roll a toon not in range" is moot. Aslong as other people can pvp/heal who arnt in pvp range of the tower, the mechanics are always going to be flawed

I think this is highly relevant.

If Tower PVP is broken down into 2 different gas states, it would be ideal:

Gas state 1 (25%): only those within PVP range of the highest/lowest towers on site can PVP (level range dependent).

Gas state 2 (5%): Everyone can PVP, level range dependant.

[Ocene]

fun to see but for towers its a screwed up mechanic

your "roll a toon not in range" is moot. Aslong as other people can pvp/heal who arnt in pvp range of the tower, the mechanics are always going to be flawed

QFT

/10char

[Kopecz]

That's not the problem at all unless you rolled your TL5 twink into the TL7 range. It's only a problem because of a bad choice made by players.

You're against any changes to this game. We get that. Don't make me come over to this thread too and do some 'splainin to you.

[Shrubberyman]

It's only a problem because of a bad choice made by players.

Playing the game the way it is supposed to be and leveling your toon is not a bad choice. Having to stop leveling on purpose just to have a decent shot at pvp oriented content is retarded enough a concept to justify a complete review imo.

Now that the laddering is properly applied all the way up to 220, I would bet it's not going to change ...

I don't know if it will happen this century, but the Game director seem to think that adjustements are in order precisely because laddering got out of hand.

[Ocene]

Playing the game the way it is supposed to be and leveling your toon is not a bad choice. Having to stop leveling on purpose just to have a decent shot at pvp oriented content is retarded enough a concept to justify a complete review imo.

I don't know if it will happen this century, but the Game director seem to think that adjustements are in order precisely because laddering got out of hand.

Yep, maybe the solution is this: http://forums.anarchyonline.com/showthread.php?t=580825

[Anarchic1]

lol shubbery, there's no challenge in twinking an endgamed toon at all. It's no where near the difficulty of doing twinks and doing the highest possible armor you can. That's the real joy in it. If you take away that, fc will lose a good portion of it's player base.

[Shrubberyman]

I'm really not that radical. And I'm not anti-twink either. Actually, that's exactly the opposite.

If FC really lays out a plan to limit laddering and/or enlarge the viable range of levels at which you can expect hard fights, competition and fun (as opposed to enter the gas and get ganked by someone two Titles over yours babysitted by a 220 doc), everyone will find their spot : leveling toons will find it less frustrating, hopefully even fun, to show at tower wars, while twinks will still (and even more so actually) be the top dogs of their category.

I don't have a grudge against twinks, hell, I even have one (though he's really a former Pvm toon that I had the choice to keep leveling and send through the grind of Apf/Pande bots of old, or turn in a PvP toon).

But NW should never had been left for twinks only to enjoy. In my eyes, it's prolly the worst oversight of FC over the years. An oversight that has been maintained by the attitude of protectors of the dogma, self-proclaimed true pvpers, deluded elitists and other old school gentry in considering anyone willing to enjoy a tower war without the "right" level as, in no particular order, idiots, retards, noobs or QQers.

And anyway, short of some really nice side-effect of engine/balancing upgrades, what do you think is gonna happen with NW if the population keeps shrinking and more incentive to participate is not introduced for those who compose the main part of the playerbase, namely leveling toons? How long will the "l33t PvP crowd" be able to keep interbreeding among themselves before it's just the two same players multi-logged left?

BS was a good first step in democratizing PvP. If FC really finds the time to look at outdoor PvP, there is only benefits to reap for everyone in rethinking the PvP offer for a wider public.

[Xootch]

lol. Way to add nothing productive to the conversation as per usual. You guys should really be proud of yourself for boosting your retard post count on the most important online forum. Tell your mommy about it when she tucks you in later tonight

actually i'm all for pvp range change.

I'm just for fighting nonsense with nonsense, thats all.

[Anarchic1]

your notion of twink pvp seems quite socialist But there's no way to make twink pvp fair unless you give everyone anything they need to make a twink. The creds, you do the ai lvls for them, you do the twinking for them and etc. It's unreasonable to do this. If they do this, you might as well quit since there's no point in doing anything if fc just gives you everything

[Shrubberyman]

You lost me there. My point is that level ranges should be reworked to allow more place for leveling toons in pvp occurences, not to give eveyone everything on a silver plate. I don't know if it's being socialist to ask that pvp content should be reoriented a less elitist way and opened to a lot more kind of players than just twink-owners.

[Anarchic1]

You lost me there. My point is that level ranges should be reworked to allow more place for leveling toons in pvp occurences.

that's not even possible. For every level range, theres' an optimal twink range. Even the 100 to 150 range whcih is popular for pvmers, has quite a few good tl4 twinks in it. So to ask for balance which isn't possible without just welfaring leveling toons doesn't seem possible

[Shrubberyman]

Twinks must remain the top dogs, that's the point of twinking, and I don't think anyone has been asking for welfaring, or twink removal (though those asking for all ranges to be removed basically promote a "race to 220" only model).
The point is to make it that at any range you find leveling toons and twinks of the same level league fighting against/with each other, not toons of one league being desintegrated by toons two titles and several shadowlevels superior.

Whatever FC does (or doesn't do) in that field will trigger opposition, but Means' answer seem to imply that this kind of laddering would be their focus. As i don't think he mean it in the sense of "making it even worse", I expect the ranges to tighten up, which would be a step in the right direction, both for twinks and leveling toons.

[Obtena]

The point is to make it that at any range you find leveling toons and twinks of the same level league fighting against/with each other, not toons of one league being desintegrated by toons two titles and several shadowlevels superior.

Whatever FC does (or doesn't do) in that field will trigger opposition, but Means' answer seem to imply that this kind of laddering would be their focus. As i don't think he mean it in the sense of "making it even worse", I expect the ranges to tighten up, which would be a step in the right direction, both for twinks and leveling toons.

That's rather shortsighted to think that focusing on laddering will equalize or even close the gap even a bit for the PVP playfield between twinks and leveling toons. I think we all know that the significant increase in power you get from a twink is due to equipment, not extra IP, perks or the marginal increases you get from more levels. That is exactly the reason that laddering in this game actually works, at most TL's at least. If FC wants to narrow that gap, level locks are necessary on gear or playfields where that gear drops to ensure that twinks max out on certain gear to keep them capped relative to leveling toons.