MA balancing

[McKnuckleSamwich]

I think it is a viable option for pvp, as it works now.
Did you pvp or did pvm content if I may ask? for pvm its not an option.

I tried it for pvp, just a tara. But, with the setup I had which gave me decent bow AR, the AS recharge was 22 seconds (with TS)

But, I gaurantee the AS recharge isn't going to drop to 11 seconds by replacing RH and RW with AS implants. But it was useless anyway, because 1, there isn't enough specials on a bow, Fling shot doesn't land to get rid of a blocker against most profs, 2. The capacity for damage is really low because most profs don't have more than about 13-16k HP, which means AS will cap every time, but it would just as easily be capping on an AS pistol.

The ofab bow is retarded. Clearly the max damage is huge, but, if theres only one or two profs where it'll be useful, it's not worth it. The AS pistol will cap on 80% of profs, with an easy 11 second recharge while the bow caps 99% of time, with a 18s recharge.

Pff.

[Arlancor]

You have to grab some alb utils, use scope and mainly CC or CSS. But 11s is viable.
Are you on RK1?

[McKnuckleSamwich]

If docs (Rmik) can cap 11s AS on it, I don't think it's impossible for MAs in fact, I think it's 1766 AS needed to bring it to 11s. How did you have 22 seconds? I can get 1800 ish AS self with my normal setup with a scope right now...

I could have been on heavy drugs at the time, or I hadn't rezzed yet. I'm sure I saw 22 seconds. I must have been rezzing still because, ah, hum, yes I couldn't cast UVC, lol.

[Racatti]

1787 to cap it, even did a setup for melee MA to hotswap 300 Tiger for NW a while ago, so it really is not that hard.

[erozc]

Fling shot doesn't land to get rid of a blocker against most profs

I have never ever seen any special attack miss on anyone with blockers. Then again, if you were on heavy drugs, it is understandable to not notice a fling being blocked.

As I understand, all special attacks hit the blocker before the def check. So that's half your reasoning gone on that part.

[McKnuckleSamwich]

I have never ever seen any special attack miss on anyone with blockers. Then again, if you were on heavy drugs, it is understandable to not notice a fling being blocked.

As I understand, all special attacks hit the blocker before the def check. So that's half your reasoning gone on that part.

na, well I was trying to hit a crat, and, none of the damage made it through blockers until the 3rd AS or something.

And, I don't know if you're rigth about that. I think the special goes through all the evade checks before it starts eating blockers.

Definitly not sure about it, but I would think that blockers are non-applicable if youre dodging a special.

[sultryvoltron]

na, well I was trying to hit a crat, and, none of the damage made it through blockers until the 3rd AS or something.

And, I don't know if you're rigth about that. I think the special goes through all the evade checks before it starts eating blockers.

Definitly not sure about it, but I would think that blockers are non-applicable if youre dodging a special.

Then why can you use a microphone to wipe out blockers on a ranged toon?

[erozc]

na, well I was trying to hit a crat, and, none of the damage made it through blockers until the 3rd AS or something.

And, I don't know if you're rigth about that. I think the special goes through all the evade checks before it starts eating blockers.

Definitly not sure about it, but I would think that blockers are non-applicable if youre dodging a special.

7 refreshing team blockers every 60 sec. Then again, you don't know at what point they refresh. Even if they didn't, the 3rd AS is what should start landing.

Then why can you use a microphone to wipe out blockers on a ranged toon?

Point. Blockers are checked before evades, period. I was having my doubts earlier due to crummy engie evades but that ought to prove it.

[Klanbear]

Well having specialised on bow on Klan (MP) I can honestly say that maxing bow is hard and full of compromises. I still can't see how FC justified the change from Phys init to ranged init on the bows apart from being contrary for the hell of it.

Anways looking at what both MA's and MP's been given I would say that both should be able to use bow and MA's should be able to use it as a main weapon. MA's are given Supreme Kyodo, all the Ranger perk line, Sureshot Glasses and yet it is impossible to be ranged and effective, yet on MP without all the AI perks its a viable alternative..

I vote that MA/MP Ranger line has AS on it and that bows go back to being Phys Init - or some other way of converting it.

Also if also take the original pattern for MA's they have always been based on a combination of Chinese/Japanese stereotypes, so if we collate what the skills of ninja's/ Shao lin etc. then bow is a Key skill set, though as flower arranging is also a key skill of a Samurai then maybe we need to have more than Flower of Life,, perhaps Death by Stamen Maybe I better leaf it at that *groan*