MP perks proposed attack/def rating checks

[NoGoal]

lol I must be doin something wrong because enf regular hits me for like 1.1k+ damage where'd you get 600 from? Boy, you really know how to downplay your prof.

MAs have AS SA and dimach... awww damn I didn't realise FC removed dimach and SA from enf's toolset QQ (btw the AS isn't 11s unless you have on a scope)

Not all enforcers are 2he eh. Even then, we are still far from MAs dmg.

MAs definitely have a different kind of offense than enforcers. Bubba wrongly used 'perk reliant' but the kinda corrected it after saying MAs rely on AR/regulars. He forgot special attacks tho. Enforcers' offense is based at 90% on perks. SA and Dimach isn't more supported by enfos than other professions, aside from being infantry obviously. Recharge on dimach alone make it quite different on MAs' side. All this just to say that MAs and Enfs have totally different kind of offense.

Back on topic, there's indeed no reason to have such odd offensive and defensive checks. Especially if FC will continue to support bow/AS and other weapon alternatives. If they decide to 'force' MPs into creation weapons it would be another story tho.

But def check on close+dodge still make little sense imho. Kinda kills the idea of range. And not only for MPs btw.

[Vgman01]

Counterweight (a group multiweild perk for shades/advs/eng's/enfs) uses TS as the attack rating for its perks and NR for the defence check. Mp's arn't the only ones with weird checks and all of them need to be redone.

[-Klod-]

Counterweight (a group multiweild perk for shades/advs/eng's/enfs) uses TS as the attack rating for its perks and NR for the defence check. Mp's arn't the only ones with weird checks and all of them need to be redone.

It's been reworked, it will use AR Vs 50:50 dodge/evade. l2r

NEXT!

[Essessceeaych]

MP perks should check nano based skills. Everything else is highly illogical and/or imbalanced for a profession that is officially MASTER OF NANO SKILLS. Period.

We aren't really master of nano skills though. We're master of pets. NTs are master of nano skills. Notice how we don't even have enough "mastery" to shut down their nanoskills without a proc.

[-Klod-]

We are not masters of pets, crats are. We are indeed masters of nano skills, with pets as an addition.

[sultryvoltron]

Well, I can bet we would do better with MC check or any nano skill check in general, since our nano skill AR based weapons don't use 100% nano skill + 20% weapon skill checks, but 80 + 20.

Don't think of how things are, but how things will be.

Oh wait, we don't have enough information yet so you're whining with no purpose in mind?

[Cryfreman]

We are not masters of pets, crats are. We are indeed masters of nano skills, with pets as an addition.

Masters of nano skills? That would be traders, both at the amount they get and the ease and duration they get to nerf others.

[Essessceeaych]

We are not masters of pets, crats are. We are indeed masters of nano skills, with pets as an addition.

Read the Professions Overview. We are not meant to be master of nanoskills. "A Nano Technician is an expert user of aggressive nanotechnology."

Crats aren't master of pets either, but a master of crowd control. "But most importantly, a Bureaucrat uses nanotechnology to boost his leadership skills and to control hostile beings, bending their minds and blurring their aims."

MPs are master of pets. "The Meta-Physicists get their strength from the "other side". They can manifest their emotions in the material world and eventually control multiple materialized entities and use them in combat"

[Vgman01]

It's been reworked, it will use AR Vs 50:50 dodge/evade. l2r

NEXT!

Ah, auno is still showing TS and I didnt see any thing about it in the 18.3 or 18.3.1 patch notes, and those look out of date any way, where can I go to find this info at? (I've only just reactivated a week ago so I'm unaware of some of the more recent changes).

[erozc]

Ah, auno is still showing TS and I didnt see any thing about it in the 18.3 or 18.3.1 patch notes, and those look out of date any way, where can I go to find this info at? (I've only just reactivated a week ago so I'm unaware of some of the more recent changes).

Rooted at the top of this forum though everything is still subject to change.

[Kinkstaah]

MP perks should check nano based skills. Everything else is highly illogical and/or imbalanced for a profession that is officially MASTER OF NANO SKILLS. Period.

MP = Master of emotional issues.

MP isnt the master of nanoskills, evades, nor pets. They're a mish mash of mediocre nano caster abilities, a combination of NT, Crat, and Traders, and deserve to be far more generalized

Also, it makes all the sense in the world to be able to resist a fireball or a nuke with dodge/rng/evade/duck etc. NR makes more sense in resisting debuffs, anyway.

MP class in any other game would have endless options to play, focusing on weapon damage, OR evades, OR debuffs, OR pets, OR nukes etc.

[Starrfyre]

As it is MPs can be called almost anything right now and it'd be justified to some degree, no matter how much we argue about it. All we can do right now is wait for word on what the dev's have in mind so we can actually base our arguments on something with a real future in AO.

But while I'm here, Full Auto Triple AS Tigress and 6 attack pets please.

[-Klod-]

Actually, it doesn't matter if we are masters of pets, masters of nano skills, or masters of emotional issues (good one Kinkstaah +1 ). What matters here is, we are most certainly not adept in weapon's department and this perk action implies (kind of) that we are.

@SultryVoltron
We have enough info to see that AR Vs 50:50 evade/dodge is wrong choice for this particular proposed perk action, at least for MPs.

[sultryvoltron]

@SultryVoltron
We have enough info to see that AR Vs 50:50 evade/dodge is wrong choice for this particular proposed perk action, at least for MPs.

Care to post links or quotes?

[-Klod-]

Care to post links or quotes?

http://forums.anarchyonline.com/show...92&postcount=1

Examine it by yourself, if you don't believe me.

http://forums.anarchyonline.com/show...22&postcount=1

[sultryvoltron]

http://forums.anarchyonline.com/show...92&postcount=1

Examine it by yourself, if you don't believe me.

http://forums.anarchyonline.com/show...22&postcount=1

I don't want your opinion. I called your opinion into question and you're trying to use it to support your original opinion?

No thanks.

[Essessceeaych]

I didn't know Klod was actually Means' troll account! Damn it, Klod! Get MPs some love already!

[-Klod-]

I don't want your opinion. I called your opinion into question and you're trying to use it to support your original opinion?

No thanks.

You didn't even check proposed perk change documentation now, did you?

I thought so.

[sultryvoltron]

You didn't even check proposed perk change documentation now, did you?

I thought so.

Oh, I trust that you accurately listed the perk checks as they appear in the balance documentation, but I don't feel you adequately provide arguments for WHY those checks are bad. You have literally no information about the future of MP creation weapons (other than changed) and there is no substantial evidence that 50/50 dodge/evade check would be unacceptable when compared to the easier to land NR def check.

Your baseless OPINION of why those are bad changes is what I'm calling into question.

[-Klod-]

Oh, I trust that you accurately listed the perk checks as they appear in the balance documentation, but I don't feel you adequately provide arguments for WHY those checks are bad. You have literally no information about the future of MP creation weapons (other than changed) and there is no substantial evidence that 50/50 dodge/evade check would be unacceptable when compared to the easier to land NR def check.

Your baseless OPINION of why those are bad changes is what I'm calling into question.

I'm using what I got. And what I got, showed to me (and to everybody else, but you) that Ken Si uses wrong checks.

Hint: it buffs nano skills, not 1hb, nor 2hb.

And even if creation weapons changed to the point that they used only nano skills for attack check, it would still be extremely weird to use AR check on this single perk action, while retaining more meaningful nano skill checks on everything else. Duh.