For all ppl that would like to nerf Fixers: Get some!!

[________tavumebottes]

GAIV is the uberest item in this whole game
when someone can tank easily a lvl 250 mob, do not tell me that the item is not so good.

[Skulldawg]

oh here we are again, whiners whiners and what else? whiners..
why does ga4 need to be nerfed? cause the users can tank ql 250 mobs? well would you rather have 2 teams in a mission just to clear it fast enough so you can actually finish the mission? i'm sure they made this for a reason..just cause in pvp you can't hit a smurf with ga4 doesn't mean oh i'm gonna post and hope for a nerf ..you whiners make me sick..if you don't want to fight anyone with ga4 simply don't or better yet why not quit the game since all you can do is whine and cry nerf i'm sure funcom caters to their customers but hey what will you say when someone else cries nerf about the prof you play? would you like it? how would you feel about being uber then oh sorry your time is over its not like smurfs never lose there are still classes that can beat us
and if you ain't one of them oh well..thats your fault not ours
we chose this prof just as you chose whatever prof you wanted to play.. this a game and say hey how else would some of you get the uber items you have/use without a smurf tanking for you?
if you can always get a team or two of people thats great for you but not many people have/show respect to others or they just choose to keep to themself ..so i say this you cry nerf you may get it some one else cries nerf and you hate them.. really people like that makes this game not worth while..so think again before you post cause for all you know FC may nerf JOO
and to tavumebottes no one said ga4 wasn't good
and the fact most of you don't want your class nerfed
is just the same as any other class
when ppl cry nerf it's just not cool man
somethings are understandable yes.. but to cry nerf cause a class ppl play finally gets some luvin you get all whiney?
that is just childish ....

no one said life is fair

/me speaks his mind

lv 200 fixer with ga4

[outlawgimp]

no offence but how can fixers tank there way through a mission kiling and killing take one hit once in a while, dual hots running, first aid stims. then even tank a ql 250 mission enforcer boss? which a sldier mk shield cant even stand upto or ANY OTHER PROFESSION IN THE GAME

what other class can do that solo?

ah well itl probably get fixed soon anyway only a matter of time just like the ma crits...

i dont agree with nerfs but read what i said. its way way overpowered pvm and pvp

p.s i dont really care how overpowered it is since i dont pvp much but thats just my opinion

[________tavumebottes]

i don t want any change on GA i just want that real tank profs get some advantages to be as efficient as fixers to tank (in PVP and PVM)
it was just a statment GA is god like Mod

[Lostpacket]

Personally i prefer soloing Tarrasque, Ian Warr and DB commando's but when ive killed all of them i will blitz a ql 250 mission + use my uber MCS to one-shot kill the boss.

[________tavumebottes]

nice you are talking about masked commandos
we tested them with a lvl 127 fixer i GAII
masked commandos missed 4/5 hits
and
i have seen many fixers tanking the pest easily, some fixers playing alone at primus camp

thats what i m talking about

[Lostpacket]

Id say the sooner we get fixers nerfed the better - then we can move on to nerfing traders + docs.


Thats what im talking about.



But, I was a gimp for over a year + i know how to play a gimp - im not sure traders + docs will fair the same way if their skills are diminished.


Eventually, one day when a player zones 2ho it will be filled with crats + Mp's and engies - the lone survivors of the "nerf wars"

[______________Yazule]

Yes plz its easier to yap around about nerf this and nerf that. Why don't you be honest and say: Hey funcom fixers are doing damage to me can you make them stop plz ? Make me so i can push a button and kill ppl plz?

umm firstly I have never called for a fixer nerf BUT

what is this quote.. are you nuts, do you pay ANY ATTENTION AT ALL to the people that DO call for nerfs? your post should say

Yes plz its easier to yap around about nerf this and nerf that. Why don't you be honest and say: Hey funcom it is impossible to do any real damage to a fixer except specials, will you make it stop plz ? Make me so i can push a button and kill ppl plz? "


risk vs reward

the whole evades, agg/def, crit, hit, miss thing has been buggered since day one though.

I dont mind smurfs having their day in the sun

its totally smurfy of you all to smurf the smurfs to smufdom

smurf
smurf

hehe

(am I jealous? hell ya, I wish my enforcer could tank half as well as a smurf)

I dont want it nerfed, at some point I will find my GA disk and then I will roll up a smurfy smurf of my own.

[______________Yazule]

Originally posted by Kaiousama


...That is so wrong I don't know where to start...how about 1600+ nano resist, more runspeed than fixers, 3-4 specials...Enforcers are one of the few profs that traders should be nervous of, and even GA4 fixers shouldn't be that much trouble to a decent enf, you just need to learn how to pvp. Get some tactics then come back and talk.

I am a beam enforcer, I have no specials, just brawl.

Traders and me, yes we both make each other nervous, yes rage is nice for nanoresist, but once the first debuff sticks game is over. (oe and downgrading my mongo and my rage = death)

just the facts of life.

Fixer with GA on.. all I got is brawl for a special, not chance at all for me.

I know my pvp, I have a trader, a doc, an enforcer and an MA I pvp with. Peeps know me and at one point (before I took a 4 month break) I had a pretty damn good pvp rep.

so when you get out of your condicending tone come back and talk.

oh and NO WAY Enforcer is faster than fixer with rage at high levels.

Thank yo please drive through

*edit* - llts nerf will make me much happier, traders wont crit so damn much and balance us out.

[stromm]

Originally posted by Shaleste
What part of my post is considered whining?



edit: ahhhhh...i am whining that Fiix is whining? nah, just pointing out that he has become a crybaby cuz people are wanting GA nerfed after spending all his creds on GA4, personally I do not care who/what gets nerfed, I will still play the game like the rest of you...

No, you were whining that fixers whine, hence the 'deserves' part which was all too ridiculous.

"i don t want any change on GA i just want that real tank profs get some advantages to be as efficient as fixers to tank (in PVP and PVM)
it was just a statment GA is god like Mod"

OK! This is coming from a trader, someone who can gimp your profession back 100 FREAKING LEVELS? LOL! Tav, honestly i've lost count how many times you've killed me in pvp. Traders have abseloutley no place to whine nerf on other professions, you guys are already so fragile...I am debuffed while in grace all the time, i am rooted, had my GA 25% almost every day in 2ho, played a waiting game in bunkers with debuffs, and have i started a trader nerf thread? No, i haven't. Deal with it.

If i can 'tank' 3 players for 20-25sec without having to zone, it's when i go full def...Ask anyone who's fought me while i have that setting up, it takes a total of 5-6 seconds to fire a round from my ql 200 CHS and 1k ranged init. The amount of damage dealt is pretty much healed by first aid, too, by the time you can use it.(Specials differ, however you will never get a decent full auto as a fixer going full def. Why? because going full def negates AMS by about 100-200.) Why is 6 professions that can kill a fixer not enough? Is 1 profession (MA) that can kill traders too much to the point that you have to go cry nerf on another profession? Hell, even i could be wrong about 1 profession being able to kill a trader, atleast you will gain a sense of what fixers are being put through- The uninformed speaking about fixers, and every other uninformed person who goes to the forums to nerf whine, which shows they rather divert their time to whining than pvp'ing in itself...

"i have seen many fixers tanking the pest easily, some fixers playing alone at primus camp"

You're totally wrong about that. Even GA4 fixers said there was unbelievable risk involved at the primus camp for the meager exp reward. Even when i went there i got hit a lot. And besides, in a place where damage dealt is everything, if we did go full def we wouldn't get much exp would we? And it is pretty impossible to 'solo' one with the fact you are unable to root them, and they have massive HP.

People call grid armor god are so uninformed. Even then sometimes fixers are the only profession that they can't kill..as i said in another thread, 'that tells me a lot about their ambitions. I suppose if it was such 'god mode' we wouldn't have nailed Argulace in 2ho last night...

Making grid armor's weakness pure nano professions encourages the rolling of crats and NTs and MPs, MPs being one you see less of day by day as well as crats..

Lastly, keep your eyes on the ball. The topic seems to be running away from 'fixers are gods in pvp' to 'fixers are gods in pvm' because of how wrong they are about the previous argument..What imbalance is grid armor goodness causing you by being good in PvM? It will help you take now uniques, it will save the docs healing nano for a significantly longer time until the fixer needs healing...it makes things easier. Anyone whining about it's effectiveness in pvm is nothing but jealous.

Pomy, doesn't matter how many fixer nerf threads there are we will never outnumber the doc ones...lol

[______________Yazule]

Anyone whining about it's effectiveness in pvm is nothing but jealous.

yup, and i am jealous, I am big enough to admit it. My enforcer is supposed to be a tank. But a sly fixer can out-tank me. *shrug*

so I guess what I am saying is I can accept that GA is suppposed to be what it is, but that means the rest of the classes need stuff that is supposed to be at 'that level'. I would rather see everyone get love than to beat fixers back down to the lameness they once were.

or I would love to find a GA so I can make a new toon hehe.

[stromm]

Originally posted by Yazule


yup, and i am jealous, I am big enough to admit it. My enforcer is supposed to be a tank. But a sly fixer can out-tank me. *shrug*

so I guess what I am saying is I can accept that GA is suppposed to be what it is, but that means the rest of the classes need stuff that is supposed to be at 'that level'. I would rather see everyone get love than to beat fixers back down to the lameness they once were.

or I would love to find a GA so I can make a new toon hehe.

Welp, im hoping love patches come through soon - There's already been a few more improvements to NTs, and before that was fixers, things may start to look up concerning the professions.

Still it's very funny to see you whining about 2 professions you can't kill then not minding fixers going back to the state where they are professionally paralyzed from even denting another prof...

And yes a enforcer with rage is faster than a fixer, open your eyes for hell's sake. A level 190 enforcer last night was running from 2ho bunker to whompa faster than a 200 fixer did.

", and i am jealous, I am big enough to admit it. My enforcer is supposed to be a tank. But a sly fixer can out-tank me. *shrug*"

If you think the literal role of a character defines their ability in pvp, you obviously do not know anything about game balance. That's like saying lets keep the engineers in their current state so they can continue to be tradeskill *****es for all the awesome pvp professions.

[Whiteboog]

Originally posted by Fiix
K lets add some comments


For me the pvp in AO is gonna be fixed is when an engi or any ther profession has same chances killing me or anybody else.

Im afraid i disagree entirely there, there ought to be pvp classes and pvm classes. A crat is supposed to be an office guy, not going out fighting, addmitedly it should be clearer which classes are pvp and which arent but im sure by the time someone gets to level 50 with an engineer they realise pvp is not for them (unless their specialising in pvp in which case they are as good as the next class)

For example docs are not pvp classes, they are pvp but because they specialise (guns, nice armour) they can pvp as well as anyone else using the advantage they have (heals) the same as other classes have advantages (crat and engy pets) it really just depends on how you specialise so for an engy he can either have a better pet (for pvm) or better armour and gun with a pet that can still do damage (for pvp).

[___________MikesterG]

*pulls out a picket and chants*

No Nerfs No Nerfs No Nerfs No Nerfs
Ban de nerf mongers!

[__________Cougarhawk]

As i can see, its just like any other class..... once they get fixed and become overpowered, they just spam the boards with reasons on why they still suck... in hopes to leech sympathy or compassion from other proffessions... and avoid the nerf bat.

The fact is, Grid armor is overpowered, and you can not say that its sooooo rare anymore, because a LOT more people have it these days... it needs to be tuned down a little bit... or a lot.

Fact#2. Traders are overpowered, its just fact.. everyone knows it, thats why i started a trader.. now i own all and i love it. Hell, traders are supposed to be HUMBLE MERCHANTS sitting at their work bench all day, not mindless killing/ransacking machines superior to all. i mean, what else would you expect when chosing to play a trader, not having any previous knowledge.

[Gold2]

I wanna make a FC-char.

No1 could beat me in pvp. I'll take the best of everything. I'll hit like an agent, with specials like a soldier, have the hp of both a doc and an enforcer, crit like an agent and ma, run and avoid like a fixer. But nothing, oh nothing, will compare to my weapon, the almighty nerfstick. I would wield it like crazy, my first targets would be NT's and engis, just because I had the power.

Then I would remove all hots...heck, I'd remove healing. I would call it "balancing". Then I would remove drains, crits, speed, roots, slowdowns, nukes and everything else.

Then I would force everyone to attend an event in the middle of Tir. After that we would all go fight omnis in camelot, all 500 of us.

Now, I can do this, and if one more guy asks for nerfs, I might just do it...so watch it, or I will have sex with your mailbox.

[__________Cougarhawk]

Originally posted by Gold2
I wanna make a FC-char.

No1 could beat me in pvp. I'll take the best of everything. I'll hit like an agent, with specials like a soldier, have the hp of both a doc and an enforcer, crit like an agent and ma, run and avoid like a fixer. But nothing, oh nothing, will compare to my weapon, the almighty nerfstick. I would wield it like crazy, my first targets would be NT's and engis, just because I had the power.

Then I would remove all hots...heck, I'd remove healing. I would call it "balancing". Then I would remove drains, crits, speed, roots, slowdowns, nukes and everything else.

Then I would force everyone to attend an event in the middle of Tir. After that we would all go fight omnis in camelot, all 500 of us.

Now, I can do this, and if one more guy asks for nerfs, I might just do it...so watch it, or I will have sex with your mailbox.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! Holy **** i just fell of my chair... im sewing.

[illfill]

Originally posted by loca



heh another ga4 user

if u get ur necrophyt from NT ..META ..or TRADER

u will be cool

so u r not and never will be

LoL! Necrophyt?!


EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEBAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[stromm]

Originally posted by Cougarhawk
As i can see, its just like any other class..... once they get fixed and become overpowered, they just spam the boards with reasons on why they still suck... in hopes to leech sympathy or compassion from other proffessions... and avoid the nerf bat.

The fact is, Grid armor is overpowered, and you can not say that its sooooo rare anymore, because a LOT more people have it these days... it needs to be tuned down a little bit... or a lot.

Fact#2. Traders are overpowered, its just fact.. everyone knows it, thats why i started a trader.. now i own all and i love it. Hell, traders are supposed to be HUMBLE MERCHANTS sitting at their work bench all day, not mindless killing/ransacking machines superior to all. i mean, what else would you expect when chosing to play a trader, not having any previous knowledge.

No one is spamming the boards about how this or that class sucks. I never said my profession sucks. I'm saying it's being blown out of proportion. You're an agent?? What level? I was just fighting a 177 agent in MMD the other day and he casted two drains in fp nearly as fast as a trader does. 14-100 damage being done to him. 25% grid armor OE. Besides that's ridiculous an agent, a profession with the ability to kill almost anyone in 3 shots with their 100% crit buffs, is whining nerf on another profession. What i am providing is the truth about my profession, i think i would know since i pvp a majority of my online time and i have died several times and it certainly does not fit with what the 'nerf callers' are exaggerating. I wonder, what you would say if there was a thread flaming the usefulness of the agent's ability of Concentration?

Once again, your point about 'humble merchants' is another example of the desperation for nerf whining excuses. In other words, lack of reason. You seem to have a so-called 'understanding' of professions telling how it is after they get fixed, so suck on this one. The ways to kill a fixer has been said SOOO many times. The nerf-whiners will acknowledge it but then brush it off, because they are a profession that still cannot beat the one at hand. What happens is a circular argument is formed, and nothing gets accomplished. I do not see my actions in the least bit 'desperate' because people like you only embarass themselves by attempting to fulfill the 'uber' desire.

As for whiteboog's post - PvM and PvP are two play style preferences, and should not be profession restricted. Any good pvp profession is pretty much better than the 'non-pvp professions' at pvm. These two options, that are FEATURES of Anarchy Online need to be available to everyone who plays the 'non-pvp' professions with the time invested, otherwise there is no motivation to carry on with that profession, as pvp becomes futile as you level and other professions are needed more in pvm and or the later realization of the fact, that pvm in AO is just simply boring.

[haavarst]

Originally posted by Whiteboog


Im afraid i disagree entirely there, there ought to be pvp classes and pvm classes. A crat is supposed to be an office guy, not going out fighting,...

ROFL.. ok lets assume you were correct and the professions in the game should resemble RL. What should be the possibilities the crat would have in the game? Lets look at some examples:

Taxes:
-The bureaucrats will get half of all the money you make.
- The bureaucrats will get a percentage of anything you buy.
Police:
-The bureaucrats can sieze all your belongings on su****ion of illegal activity.
-The bureaucrats can imprison you for shorter or longer durations
Politicians:
-The bureaucrats have the power to send the entire Omni-Pol Elites after you.
-The bureaucrats have the power to deny you entrance to certain zones.
-The bureaucrats would have the power to kick you out of any zone they dont want u in

the list could go on and on. Look at what you actually want, and youll see its absurd. The real power in the RL world lies with the bureaucrats. A soldier in the real world is just an instrument of politics. He does what he is told or he is no longer a soldier. In a game this makes for crappy gameplay. Who would be a soldier if you couldnt decide what to do and where to do it?

Thats why all classes in AO are fighting classes. The names doesnt really mean anything, they are just there to indicate the difference in fighting styles. When you realize that you should also understand Fiix when he says:

For me the pvp in AO is gonna be fixed is when an engi or any ther profession has same chances killing me or anybody else.