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  1. #81
    Over the last 8 months or so, I've tried a number of setups, and have learnt the following

    AR - Highest overall attack rating (3700ish) - Okay damage in pvm, but in pvp, just not enough grunt to do significant damage to the bulk of other professions, the possible exceptions being those with low evades, no natural healing capabilities, and minimal defensive toolkits (I'm not including enfs here, as the recent crop of AAD enfs, are becoming a pain in the rear). It's nice to have enough AR to perk the evade profs, but of course, not having useful perks to hit them with, is a nightmare.


    Dual Envies - Average 3300 attack rating - Great dmg in pvm, pvp dmg still pretty okay, harder to hit the evaders, but the low evaders get dropped pretty easy.

    Envy/Rapier - Again average 3300 attack rating - Best pvm dmg, pvp a bit of a washout.


    All in all, though I enjoyed the dual envy setup, it did feel too much like I was a heavy fixer, without the defense, without the hots, and when they got the FA buffs, I really began to wonder why I bothered.

    I have always seen soldiers as being assault rifle specialists, we are the heavy weapons specialists and it really should show.

    In dual setup, we should outshine fixers in terms of pure dmg, they have the defense, we are meant to have the dmg, right now, we dont.

    In assault rifle setup, we should be able to hit everything, the trade off is, we dont have multiple specials, we dont have big perk chains, but we should HIT.. and HIT HARD!

    I'm probably going around in circles, I'm trying to get my own thoughts in order here.


    As to reflect caps and the such like, I'm relatively happy with the proposed changes, however I hope that the same will apply to traders and that blasted BR.. there really needs to be a downside to them using it, cuz in my experience, there is none.

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  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Hacre View Post
    Likely that this is highly redundant, which is fine so long as the tools NTs get don't suck in comparison.

    Hard to make many other judgement calls since we still don't have an entire picture. The FA idea isn't a bad one, the lowest/lower/lowish idea on the first 3 bullets is better, however before demanding this bear in mind that you only need 2-3 bullets with your fancy new Assault Rifles to cap most people, so in that case it depends on what the lowest/lower/lowish checks will actually be and will a miss on bullet 1 still mean a miss on bullets 2-10?

    No comment with the various things mentioned about reflect debuffing in the absence of LE nukes. BR is going to be adjusted, NSD has never made you walking squishy given the range, so if you're going to keep pushing to not have a hefty debuff via a single nuke or nuke combo then you're back to effectively wanting to be untouchable for 80s out of every 120. Bear in mind "hefty debuff" needs to be relative to wherever the reflects cap at but if they cap at the numbers thrown around in this thread (90+) then NTs should be able to somehow drop you to 30% (so RRFE levels) to get an attack through.


    dude you are retarded? how can you seriously say something like 2-3 bullets is enough to cap people on rrfe when that barely does 1.4k (barely half a cap on my T5!!!!) but then refuse to admit nukes do 9k dmg very very often? you are a lost cause, go back to NT forums and QQ about LE nukes going away, maybe ill see you on keeper again soon.

    and we should be untouchable under AMS just like an advy is under dof and coon, the reason is because any class can kill us in 40 seconds unless you move out of their range so you avoid all dmg but the point is moot since any class can do just that too

    but, if they are changing every nano ingame maybe they will change ams, can the profs ask the devs about the plans about nanos like our AMS line?

  3. #83
    What about people rooting/snare you the sec you AMS? Would like to have some NR like Enforcer Rage.
    Ceenah 220/30/66 PvM NT @ Newcomers Alliance
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  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Ceenah2 View Post
    What about people rooting/snare you the sec you AMS? Would like to have some NR like Enforcer Rage.
    Yes. Perhaps Fixer runspeed and evades too, free Mongo Rage, NS2 and CH as well?

    After all, you shouldn't have -any- holes at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by randomalpha View Post
    in the end soldier is not Op or even near from that never was never will be just for the record only keepers are the ones before soldiers on the nerfest list
    Genius at work.

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Ceenah2 View Post
    What about people rooting/snare you the sec you AMS? Would like to have some NR like Enforcer Rage.
    As it looks roots and snares will be changed to somewhat more 'active'. I guess it means no more spamming roots and you spamming stims.

    Anyway from what I see duration of nanos will be reduced.

    An no, no NR love except NR8 for solds. And that's okay.
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  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Boltgun View Post

    An no, no NR love except NR8 for solds. And that's okay.

    hi

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by heartless888 View Post
    hi
    I'm glad you're having fun as a NR8, but I'm not sure people asking a native NR bonus for solds, I mean adding nano resiting to our existing tool, are well in touch about our general direction.
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  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Hacre View Post
    Yes. Perhaps Fixer runspeed and evades too, free Mongo Rage, NS2 and CH as well?

    After all, you shouldn't have -any- holes at all.
    No, soldiers would be happy IF:

    1. We could actually hit ppl. yes, that means we should not be completely disabled by 1 drain or blind or whatever.

    2. We could actually have a defense that isn't owned/circumvented/prevented by anyone that can debuff us in any way.

    Then we could probably live with having the lowest NR in game.
    The lowest run speed.
    In practicality the lowest evades.
    We could live with having no CC.
    We could live with having among the lowest heals in game.
    We could live with having pathetic perk dmg.

    Ya know, stuff like that we could live with IF our defenses actually worked and we didn't have to fear making teh enemy immortal just because we needed to use our only def.

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Noobius76 View Post
    No, soldiers would be happy IF:

    1. We could actually hit ppl. yes, that means we should not be completely disabled by 1 drain or blind or whatever.

    2. We could actually have a defense that isn't owned/circumvented/prevented by anyone that can debuff us in any way.

    Then we could probably live with having the lowest NR in game.
    The lowest run speed.
    In practicality the lowest evades.
    We could live with having no CC.
    We could live with having among the lowest heals in game.
    We could live with having pathetic perk dmg.

    Ya know, stuff like that we could live with IF our defenses actually worked and we didn't have to fear making teh enemy immortal just because we needed to use our only def.
    Well LE nukes are going away, BR is not going to stay as it is right now, so what more do you want?
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    Quote Originally Posted by randomalpha View Post
    in the end soldier is not Op or even near from that never was never will be just for the record only keepers are the ones before soldiers on the nerfest list
    Genius at work.

  10. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by Hacre View Post
    Well LE nukes are going away, BR is not going to stay as it is right now, so what more do you want?

    we dont know what BR will be changed into, knowing FC it could be just as bad, they dont understand that even if BR debuffed only 25% reflect, as long as its ALL dmg types its almost as bad

    the problem is debuffing us so we die to everyone else too, not just them

  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by heartless888 View Post
    we dont know what BR will be changed into, knowing FC it could be just as bad, they dont understand that even if BR debuffed only 25% reflect, as long as its ALL dmg types its almost as bad

    the problem is debuffing us so we die to everyone else too, not just them
    Well we live in a world of mass PvP, what makes you think you should be close to invulnerable to a plethora of people except one, in a mass PvP situation?

    Genuine question. I was personally shouting for LE nukes to only debuff Radiation (which you bitched about and called me an idiot and blah blah blah blah retarded crap from you), I also support BR only debuffing Trader damage type (a suggestion you made, after you made some retarded sarcastic comments at me saying LE nukes should only debuff Rad)...so...make your mind up really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by randomalpha View Post
    in the end soldier is not Op or even near from that never was never will be just for the record only keepers are the ones before soldiers on the nerfest list
    Genius at work.

  12. #92
    any chance that with the new changes artillery right arms will get burst?
    Still waiting for Ultimate Ofab Armor!

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  13. #93
    Burst is the additional skill added to the right arm by upgrading from a regular intel to an alpha. I have yet to ask if they're open to the idea of changing symbs in such a manner, or if they want to reserve it for the very endgame.
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    I heard black troxes have a huge nothing.
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  14. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Hacre View Post
    Well we live in a world of mass PvP, what makes you think you should be close to invulnerable to a plethora of people except one, in a mass PvP situation?

    Genuine question. I was personally shouting for LE nukes to only debuff Radiation (which you bitched about and called me an idiot and blah blah blah blah retarded crap from you), I also support BR only debuffing Trader damage type (a suggestion you made, after you made some retarded sarcastic comments at me saying LE nukes should only debuff Rad)...so...make your mind up really.

    eh im pretty sure i always agreed with LE nukes just debuffing rad, the fact remains they shouldnt pirce them at all

    as for BR, i love your comment about *what makes you think you should be close to invulnerable to a plethora of people except one, in a mass PvP situation?* because, thats what an NT can do right now, not soldier

    nevermind the fact that once our shield is down, we are the easiest class to kill so yes, if we are the easiest to kill when its down, we should be the hardest to kill when its up

    now....i think 80 seconds is too long, i also think 40 seconds cooldown is too long, i already suggested putting AMS on the same timer as dof, aka 40s duration with 25s cooldown, which increase the cooldown time compared to the duration of the nano

    i call you retarded because you are, always trying to claim you care about the poor class that your class totally own and stuff but when it comes down to it you think sold is OP and you are crying about us as soon as i call you out on it, now get out of our forums and go try to keep LE nukes ingame so you can keep playing your broken class the way you decked it out for :P
    Last edited by heartless888; Jan 10th, 2010 at 06:11:22.

  15. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by Berinda View Post
    Burst is the additional skill added to the right arm by upgrading from a regular intel to an alpha. I have yet to ask if they're open to the idea of changing symbs in such a manner, or if they want to reserve it for the very endgame.

    adding HD to art legs and feet symbs would be a great but subtile boost tbh

  16. #96
    Yea the lack of HD can hurt sometimes...and it also is more of a benefit for endgame since it is more useful then, whereas burst comes in use at all levels.
    Still waiting for Ultimate Ofab Armor!

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  17. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by gimpmasta View Post
    Yea the lack of HD can hurt sometimes...and it also is more of a benefit for endgame since it is more useful then, whereas burst comes in use at all levels.


    yeah well all that matters for most is endgame, and at endgame, burst is covered now in right arm

  18. #98
    Yea that is the prevailing attitude these days, sometimes i feel they should just make a "i already have a 220 toon, buff me to 220" NPC for people that don't want to bother with the other lvls.
    Still waiting for Ultimate Ofab Armor!

    Definition of penultimate - next to the last

  19. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by Hacre View Post
    Well we live in a world of mass PvP, what makes you think you should be close to invulnerable to a plethora of people except one, in a mass PvP situation?.
    No, we don't. BS usually isn't mass pvp. It's usually a few ppl vs 1 target. Sure there are skirmishes when u have 5+ vs 5+ and that's where a soldier used to shine because of ams/tms. Now that's no longer true.
    Our defenses are disabled by a single nano from 3 diff classes and prevented by many more. Which means we drop in a matter of seconds.

    If we can't have the "invulnerability" (your words) in mass pvp that you call it then I demand better rs, nr, cc, heals so that we aren't pathetic in 1 vs 1 situations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hacre View Post
    Genuine question. I was personally shouting for LE nukes to only debuff Radiation (which you bitched about and called me an idiot and blah blah blah blah retarded crap from you), I also support BR only debuffing Trader damage type (a suggestion you made, after you made some retarded sarcastic comments at me saying LE nukes should only debuff Rad)...so...make your mind up really.
    Where is the question?

  20. #100
    I still don't get why everyone keeps talking about pistol mastery and/or support for smg...

    I mean that's showing a deep lack of vision.
    Alright for the time being there are a few good pistols and smg going around, but nothing says they'll stay the way they are, plus FC keeps talking about the great rebalancing and, all, which means it's the time to ask for real new things!

    So well, let's see, we have support for the heavy weapons skill directly, from one of our main perkline? so why, oh Why couldn't we show some originality and actually ask for something brand new, like a new line of Ofab weapons, using heavy weapons, to propose a nice alternative to the usual Assault Rifle while leveling?

    Heh, for once, it could even be an ofab weapon that would be useful for the whole leveling process, from level 10 to 220, with Burst, FA, and maybe something cool, like a 50% duck Exp/50% Dodge Range Check.


    Come on people, we are the Heavy Range Weapons specialists, what the **** are we even thinking about Pistols? Please, ask for grenade launchers, why not a new ofab line there too, it would please Engies for sure!
    Ask for heavy shotguns! not the gay stuff with Aimed Shot, but real shotguns, the ones that actually make holes into things, remember?

    Sometimes it seems like the veteran players of AO have been stuck in a specific way of thinking for too much time, and they can't see the broader picture. FC is not really helping though, the onehander upgrade for engies was pure madness, complete stupidity, everyone is complaining about the onehander and they go ahead and put a new one on the market.

    I don't know who had the idea, but it seems so short sighted it's quite scary. They have a wonderful game already made, they don't even have to think so much, they could just take the old, hundred of items they have already made, be it armors, weapons, utils, etc. tweak their stats a bit, to rebalance and offer a vast variety of competitive toys to play with.


    I mean that's more of a general statement that one specific to soldiers, but seriously, if Assault Rifles obtainable in stores, or by froobs in a general way, did like 80% of the perennium damages, at equivalent QLs, it would be absolutely great.

    The pvp twinks and dmg whores would still be using the blue dildo, but new players and non hardcore ones would actually enjoy their leveling experience and not take 20 minutes to kill a mob an experienced players explodes in a second.

    Generalize that to all weapons existing in the game, and you'll see variety, as of now, a specific profession at a specific level means about 1 or 2 weapon choices possible (often hard to obtain weapons for newbies). Tis wrong, and tis not hard to change.....
    Last edited by Dolfindwe; Jan 10th, 2010 at 12:43:47.

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