Consentration-line and M150 being obsolete

[Hacre]

If someone can link me a worse one then I'll buy them a beer.

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[Kinkstaah]

you can't ignore us having a HUGE array of damage perks or perks that up our damage... as a key-part of being agent.

I'm not. Infact I'm very thankful that they vastly improved our endgame perks.

[Kinkstaah]

See my signature. Want my paypal details?

Nah, I think that one is at least situationally true, or true in certain time-frames (pre-le?) this one cannot possibly be true, in any way shape or form.

[Cyberleet]

I'm not. Infact I'm very thankful that they vastly improved our endgame perks.

Yeah, while the execution was improved they cut off 6k damage and lowered min at the same time.

Anyway, I hope our unique nanolines gets a good look at, especially those that which use are affected by balancing changes like this one, instead of, for all practical purposes, being "good for nothing".

Huge Edit:
Consentration, unlike Sureshot doesn't buff AR so a logic progression is add damage, crit is already at 200%, and also, since more of our perks are now reworked to perform like "have perk X first, then you can use perk Y" we would need more time with AR-buffs then the consentration-line adds to get a realistic benefit from it, so for this line I'd say to give it a more substantial (am thinking MA-crits +) add-damage (also perk-damage) buff then it is now.

The only good benefit with AR-buff from this would be to cast before The Shot, as both= stealth-friendly.

High AAO would do nothing more than make offensive builds pointless I think.

So, AR-buff from sureshot, add-damage from consentration.

4th called, intense consentration hm

[Kinkstaah]

Yeah, while the execution was improved they cut off 6k damage and lowered min at the same time.

Really? So the new perks HEAL our opponents? Because thats what less damage than now would do.

Oh wait. They'll do considerably more damage than zero, won't they. Which is what they do now. Zero.

[Cyberleet]

They'll do considerably more damage than zero, won't they.

We rate them for what the diferent versions do with repaired mechanics.

...give it up Kink, won't work.

[Ebondevil]

We rate them for what the diferent versions do with repaired mechanics.

You seem to, most of us seem to be comparing the current versions with the suggested versions, and under that comparison they're vastly improved.

And how do you (hi Ebon) manage to derail all my threads with your off-topic pedantic arguing? In fact, now I'm gonna mention "the crippling of agent endgame perks" in most my posts and add it to my sig until "someone" gives it a break, so try me some more please.

I was replying to something you brought up so if anyone derailed the thread it would be you. Then I tried to bring the Thread back on topic with:

As for the M150 becoming obsolete, should have happened a long time ago, maybe replaced with a better weapon, but 220/30/70 Agents using an old RK weapon that I believe was available when the game was first released, and relying on it to kill people, goes to show how messed up Agents became because of Concentration.

As for Concentration and Sureshot, as far as I'm aware Agents got them because Agents lost the Ability to use Universal Vulnerability compendium when it became Self only for MA's and the two lies were given as compensation.

Personally I have and always will feel that anything with a short term buff and long term lockout is a bad way to design any kind of advantage, the long term lockout basically proves that the buff is overpowered and needs to be reigned in by restrictive use, and the short term duration makes them useless for the majority of gameplay and only useful in some very specific circumstances, in this case PvP.

Sureshot due to it's shorter lockout and longer execution does have more use but it still has a ridiculously long lockout to reign in the power of the nano.

Best thing I can think of to deal with Concentration and Sureshot is bring the lockouts down to more sensible times, which means under a minute, and really no more than twice the nanos duration. Then modify the effects of the nanos so it is worthwhile for an Agent to be casting them for the buffs given at all times during combat. Possibly even lock them to Visual Profession Agent so they can't be used under any other Visual profession to compensate in part for the added power.

Same should apply to the Shadowbreed powers as well, 4 hour lockout for 8 seconds of buff is rather silly.

[Anarrina]

And how do you (hi Ebon) manage to derail all my threads with your off-topic pedantic arguing? In fact, now I'm gonna mention "the crippling of agent endgame perks" in most my posts and add it to my sig until "someone" gives it a break, so try me some more please.

Thread locked, again, as this has...again, gone into a downspiral of pointless bickering.

And I wouldn't suggest continuing on with that threat to "try you", from my perspective. Thank you.