I can't believe you nerfed Soldiers..

[Maxisolja]

As a melee doctor, I have quite a few more than 4 perks in generic SL lines.

A 1he soldier probably would to

[keitelo]

When they balanced ranged advs

hahahaha, oh woaw.
You call that balance?The prof with the most awesome defence got some UBER killing tools while many others with 100 times less defence struggle to get a kill...

"Good" Shades are very dangerous in PvP, but if hes got "average" equip, just like a soldier with "average" equip, Ill eat his face.

By average i meant a very decent setup, not ofab and rapiers, full AI armor 300, full research, pande items etc etc.With all that you'll be far from good, most BS guys are UNPERKABLE which mean you can't do ANYTHING but throw a SA every 40s.THAT is not average it's called nerfed to oblivion.

A soldier with the same equip can have loads of fun in pvp.As a shade it's just endless pain with zero fun.

I have nothing against soldiers but seeing them complaining, as well as advs, always make me laugh.Those two profs got so much OPEd that each little nerf seems to them like a major nerf bat of end of times

I'm not at all for nerfs, FC should instead help profs that need boost so they can catch up PVP wise.But i know FC they will do all the opposite and more people will quit.OR they give profs IWIN buttons that make everyone disgusted/bored.

It's like LE mishes after so much time they still couldn't admit that those mish are awfully boring and types should have been NOT nodrop from the begining, it kills a part of the game economy and make people bored to no ends when you have to farm those damn types.

[Tyfowler]

A 1he soldier probably would to

been there done that before expansions...was a blast... dont think it will do now though :/

[Etyris]

they should have just fixed AMS...

[Mastablasta]

Rather an over exaggerated thread, soldier aren't suffering badly now, nor have they ever, and will most likely not do so in the future either, no matter how much you want to take changes related to one prof and overlay them on the current environment, neatly forgetting that everyone else is also having things changed. And that's without even taking into consideration that we have seen nothing about changes regarding nanos, only been told that everything is being majorly reworked...

Less panic, please.

[PingBong]

soldier so called "alpha" is midget poop to their burst/FA dps which remains intact, imo they deserve every bit of nerf coming their way

[Wrangeline]

soldier so called "alpha" is midget poop to their burst/FA dps which remains intact, imo they deserve every bit of nerf coming their way

Theoretical paper-PvP is no fun >.<

[MyGift]

Welcome to the keeper world And hey u can always kill us

[Questra]

Rather an over exaggerated thread, soldier aren't suffering badly now, nor have they ever, and will most likely not do so in the future either, no matter how much you want to take changes related to one prof and overlay them on the current environment, neatly forgetting that everyone else is also having things changed. And that's without even taking into consideration that we have seen nothing about changes regarding nanos, only been told that everything is being majorly reworked...

Less panic, please.

So if they removed a NT's nanodamage perkline and removed Nanobot shielding, or staggered triple to 3 hits over 3 seconds to lessen the damage spike, you'd be fine with that, because NTs aren't suffering badly now?

NTs would be in pretty bad position if they did that and you would be the first to complain about it.

That is a very accurate comparison of the nerf soldiers will experience if they lose both AS and Power Up, so please don't practice a double standard. Your bias against soldiers is widely known, and you're present in every thread where we try to respresent our concerns.

And just because you communicate with the devs, don't expect that everyone else can. For most people who care about balance in PvP, this and representation via their profs are the only ways they have to express their concerns. Please don't condescend to claim that this is panic when it's just people voicing their opinions.

[Armus]

Please nerf soldiers as suggested so I can give my money to some other company instead of you.

[PingBong]

Theoretical paper-PvP is no fun >.<

im all about paper pvp

[Klod9001]

Soldiers got nerfed?

[Hacre]

Soldiers haven't been nerfed yet. Will they be nerfed if the only changes that happen are the ones that we have seen proposed and heard rumours about? Probably. Are the changes we have seen proposed (read, not set in stone) or heard rumours about going to be the only changes that happen? Highly doubtful.

Did Soldiers perform just fine before the RE line was made useful before? Yes. With the AS/FA combo nerf coming up, should they have the RE line taken away WITHOUT anything put in place to replace it for Assault Rifle users? No. Will FC do that? Highly doubtful.

In conclusion: The sky is not falling at this moment in time, Soldiers complain far too much.

Also, what others said about DPS. It appears, currently, that DPS is going to count for more than pure spike damage. I highly doubt you're the only profession that's going to see changes to your offence in that regard. Expect NTs to as well.

PS Gunfytr, did you get chance to try that equip change we talked about yet?

[Shrubberyman]

Also, what others said about DPS. It appears, currently, that DPS is going to count for more than pure spike damage.

That particular point is important, in particular since soldiers will benefit a great deal from the capping attacks "nerf" defencively. If I'm not mistaken, in a pvp environment where regulars and overtime dps will take a new importance, soldiers will prolly have the very best damage mitigation again, against most profs (not counting nts, engis and traders, but even that is highly likely to change somehow in the future).

I'm not saying that soldiers should take the nerf silently and receive nothing as a trade off, just that the changes proposed are also beneficial to soldiers in other ways than pure alpha.

[Gatester]

That is a very accurate comparison of the nerf soldiers will experience if they lose both AS and Power Up, so please don't practice a double standard.

Everyone is getting an AS nerf yet it always seems like soldiers in particular feel they are getting the worst out of it and I am not sure why. Alpha tools are needed currently because of profession healing abilities, when those abilities are nerfed the tools become unfair and unneeded and these balances will occur at the same time as far as anyone knows.

For power up, do all soldiers honestly believe FC will deny the assault rifle profession an assault rifle perkline of some merit at least? I have seen some nice ideas for an assault rifle perkline and I am sure you guys will not be left out, but do not be surprised if assault rifle is not always or even in most cases the best choice for pvp.

Your bias against soldiers is widely known, and you're present in every thread where we try to respresent our concerns.

I thought that was me Maybe it is me too but that is only because

In conclusion: The sky is not falling at this moment in time, Soldiers complain far too much.

The Soldier profession is far too popular and played to be destroyed by FC and they know that. Unless ofc, people like Ocene keep making threads like these and annoy FC's staff to the point that they take retribution on your profession. I am predicting all assault rifles to fire flowers with the first balancinig patch.

[Berinda]

For power up, do all soldiers honestly believe FC will deny the assault rifle profession an assault rifle perkline of some merit at least?

Power up effects every soldier regardless of weapon choice or equipment. It is our only viable option.

[Klod9001]

Power up effects every soldier regardless of weapon choice or equipment. It is our only viable option.

Power up should affect only RE weapon users, just like blunt mastery perks affect 1hb weapon users, pistol mastery does pistol users, shotgun does shotgun users...

Pure logic.

[Genie]

Power up should affect only RE weapon users, just like blunt mastery perks affect 1hb weapon users, pistol mastery does pistol users, shotgun does shotgun users...

Really? I thought it was called Power Up, not Ranged Energy Mastery.

[Gunfytr]

Everyone is getting an AS nerf yet it always seems like soldiers in particular feel they are getting the worst out of it and I am not sure why.

Ok, I can explain this.

AS and FA will share a lockout. It was fairly common for a Soldier to hotswap from an FA weapon to an AS weapon, during an "Alpha" attack. Since Soldier perk performance is luke warm, this is necessary to kill some healing proffs. Now, show me another proff that "commonly", at ttl7, uses a FA/AS hotswap. Thus, Soldiers will be hurt most (nerfed) by the new mechanics.

For the record, I have heard of lower ttl agents doing a FA/AS swap...but I dont think i've ever seen it at ttl 7.

edit: Ok, maybe fixers, but I cant HIT good ones, anyway.

[Gunfytr]

PS Gunfytr, did you get chance to try that equip change we talked about yet?

I did. Its OK, but thinking about goin back to the CC chest. Generally, when I die, its so catastrophic, that 1K or so HP wont make a diff...but the extra AR might in hitting some of these evaders.