Friday with Means - October 9th, 2009 - Parry and Riposte - Back from the dead!

[NoGoal]

Kintaii (unlike myself) did not see this as a lost cause and continued to work on acceptable solutions to these unused skills and has put together with the rest of the team a good alternative to the old systems for Parry and Riposte that will allow us to bypass all the "old" reasons for not activating these actions.

This had been asked for years on prof forums but no devs go there. WTB prof program back with someone at FC that go take a look on those forums.


PS: Kintaii is my god.

[Dagget]

There are halloween goodies popping up on test today.

[cbus97]

If you think MA's are fast enough to grab bullets from the air then I give up on any kind of immersion right now

Nanobots, dude! We can already grow to 5x our normal size, jump 100 feet in the air, swim in lava for only 25hp damage, and catching bullets bothers you?

[Aethyrguard]

Im not talking about the CODE in place for parry. I'm talking about kIntaii's logic for why melee's can parry ranged weapons.

Oh please you spoiled brat. Melee is teh suckfest in AO.. Parry/Riposte working is the first good news for melee yet. Just please if you are going to cry go do it in a corner so I don't have to watch someone as respectable as you whine.

[Uncle Pumpkinhead]

Still no sign of that yellow bellied PUMPKINFACE!!!

So anxious, so eager, so full of vim and vigor.

No worries, young ones - I'll be changing that soon enough... Hehehehehahahahaha!

[Wrangeline]

Nanobots, dude! We can already grow to 5x our normal size, jump 100 feet in the air, swim in lava for only 25hp damage, and catching bullets bothers you?

Of course. If melee's can catch bullets with their hands, then I should be able to side step every single hit they try to do with melee weapons seeing as melee is 1000 times slower than a bullet.

[Wurzelfamilie]

wow... here you get your this-week-lol:

LOL

why?
- no words about Dark Ruins (fwm 11.09.)

- no words about the balancing (fwm 02.10.) - realy dont know why you always posting things and wont do it - training for a political?

- "You all drew attention to some areas we may not have thought of...so thanks again." - oh, sure, forgot, we are working out your new engine :-p

- parry/riposte - WHY write about it IF you haven't a result/tested it - WHY YOU ALWAYS WRITE ABOUT SOMETHING YOU WANNA DO SOMETIMES RATHER THAN WRITE ABOUT YOUR ALREADY WRITTEN PROMISES?

- "The engine team is making solid progress and less than two months in we are already seeing statel, ground and the beginning of character rendering." (fwm 31.07) - wanna see your character rendering results now

- "The upcoming weeks should also bring the "Sponsorship system" to the Live servers where the kind act of mentoring new players and ecouraging them to become full members of the AO world will result in a reward of free game-time." (fwm 25.09.) - hm... upcoming weeks, now 2 weeks done. where is your sponsorship system to rescue DNW? this week again, some ppl left...


you got more construction sites than you can handle, and you open every week additional ones. dont understand why first finish one before open so much more...

in my opinion, your friday with means has failed in its objective...

[Wrangeline]

Oh please you spoiled brat. Melee is teh suckfest in AO.. Parry/Riposte working is the first good news for melee yet. Just please if you are going to cry go do it in a corner so I don't have to watch someone as respectable as you whine.

I'm also not talking about balance. I never said it was OP for melee to get this. I'm just saying this mechanic is now stretching the logic a bit thin.

For the record, I have just as many melee characters as the next guy.

[shamenOTC]

So anxious, so eager, so full of vim and vigor.

No worries, young ones - I'll be changing that soon enough... Hehehehehahahahaha!

Joooo gonna getz jour asss kicked again!! Muhahahahahaha!

[DePreach]

Fantastically underwhelming.

We just wait for week after week for some kind of a hint when the new engine will be out after being promised it for ... years? Or some kind of balancing where everything will be changed effectively STOPPING the entire population from twinking when they hit 220 for something that might be completeley irrelevant in 2 weeks. The entire marketing effort hingeing on these 2 changes and the population dwindling. We don't have the figures you have but I can tell you players are disappearing fast and new blood isn't arriving.

Great news on Parry and Riposte though, congratulations to whoever has the spare IP to get these skills up and commiserations to anyone that needs specials to kill melee. Add melee advies and MAs to the list of OP professions?

When even a strategy document for balancing can't be delivered on time it does make me think there is a lot of investment in the rest of the vaporware that's been promised.

Im here to help!

[cbus97]

Of course. If melee's can catch bullets with their hands, then I should be able to side step every single hit they try to do with melee weapons seeing as melee is 1000 times slower than a bullet.

Yeah but the melee wielder is actively pitting his nanobots against yours during combat. But once the bullet leaves the barrel it's harder to actively control with nanobots, so that puts melee and ranged on a level playing field.

Nanobots. Explaining away sci-fi inconsistencies since 29856.

[Towerblock]

My God, its full of stars!

[Wrangeline]

Nanobots. Explaining away sci-fi inconsistencies since 29856.

Yeah I guess I'll just have to learn to live with that

[aleah]

Ok, I'm pretty much in shock here.

Parry and Riposte have been on the "save your breath, they will never be useful" list forever.
IP Dump. Permabroken. No, they WERE the list. The whole list.

This is love for the melee classes. Like, real love.
I didn't even think you liked us. All this time...
I hardly know.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

[Xyphos]

Kintaii

It's to my understanding that Parry will now behave as some sort of combination of keeper's normal attack blockers and engineer's special attack blockers. if this does behave as such, then said blockers in conjunction with parry would make some professions almost invincible.
to provide balance between the two, having said blockers in your NCU should disable parry's ability to perform such task.

also, if parry would block special attacks, I'd like to request that the engineer's 7x TEAM blockers to be removed from the game and have the dust brigade nano reward replaced with a much better pet heal and/or Mech/Turret heal nano.
the current "top" pet heal is in sufficient to keep people from killing our dogs and an engineer, being best suited for mechanical things, should be able to heal mechs and turrets.

Thankyou for your time and consideration.
--Xyphos
(AKA Bitbucket, 220 Neutral Engineer on RK1)

[Rewo]

So much emo in this thread already, including people that never post coming out of the woodwork just to whine and moan that they didn't get what they want when they wanted it. For crying out loud people get a grip.

Good stuff here, keep it up guys.

[TheMekon]

I am suddenly given to remembering something about a test once done, with an engineer on test, with melee weapons equipped, that was near unkillable, because of the sheer number of blockers/specialblockers/parry/riposte..

I hope that this doesn't end up being similar..

[Rewo]

also, if they block special attacks, I'd like to request that the engineer's 7x TEAM blockers to be removed from the game and have the dust brigade nano reward replaced with a much better pet heal and/or Mech/Turret heal nano

Excellent suggestion. Pretty much anything in place of the very OP 7x team blockers would be most welcome. I hope to see something on that in the proposed changes that are still being hammered out.

[Prynxkjui]

Will parry and riposte work with MP creation melee weapons?

Yes, I want to know if a Zset MP can use parry too, thanks.

[Deathkillz]

So anxious, so eager, so full of vim and vigor.

No worries, young ones - I'll be changing that soon enough... Hehehehehahahahaha!

i still have part of your skull stuck on my boots from last years STOMPING!!