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Thread: Friday with(out) Means - Aug. 21st, 2009: The Last Ramble

  1. #81
    Daily missions: Is the XP reward capped at 10%?

    I'm just saying.. Lvl 150-205 = 55 levels, at 10% XP that's 550 days for getting yourself to a level that's open to teams in Inferno. That doesn't help the current situation at all.

  2. #82
    Please test this armor in sneak to make sure it doesn't give a trailing glow like the shade glow sticks do.
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  3. #83
    It would but it's supposed to be only social armor not a new buff armor.
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  4. #84
    Heya, so I'm poking my head back in after taking a break for a few months. It's nice to see friday with means coming back, was starting to look a bit like an abandoned game when it wasn't updated for several months :/ . I like that you guys finally seem to be getting an idea of what the real problems are and working towards fixing them .

    Why have I been taking a break from AO? Simply put... I got bored. I've been playing AO for 2-3 years now and have had some fun along the way, but... things were just starting to feel to grindy. There just is far to little in AO with good rewards that doesn't involve doing the same thing over and over again for hours on end, and often times for several days. I also got really sick of the awfull PvP balance in the game.... Anyway I've been debating about whether or not I'll return, and I think that if you guys actually do something with the following two comments from means then there is a good chance that I and perhaps others will return:

    To start off this week let me say this about the "Stims": A few people get some more XP than others...or some pay market value credits for the priviledge. Fine. If this was the biggest issue we had at the moment and was deserving of all this attention and drama...then I think AO would be in fantastic shape. [b] I however am going to take this more as "symptom" of problems within the game...the effort required to level through 200 regular levels, 20 Shadowlevels, 30 Alien levels and 70 lines of personal research is enough that it has become essential to "shortcut" this as much as possible. Making this long leveling issue less painfull is the real issue that needs to be addressed...not these stims. [b] We have been discussing this issue for quite some time...some action will need to be taken in the near future.
    The new engine, smoothing out the newbie experience to make the learning curve less scary, running more events, more open/pickup type pvp are all things we are working on to help increase the number of new players who stay with us after trying the game for the first time.
    I'd like to post an idea here that might help PvP be more open to the untwinked player or players that are towards vp so they can stand their own in PvP. Currently BS is divided up by level range and when there's more ppl than can fit in one instance then they just have to wait. What would happen if instead of just using level for matching up BS teams, you also used PvP rank? This way the twinks fight the twinks, the gimps fight the gimps, and everybody is happier. Take a look at Atlantis Online and how their PvP system works. You could do something similar here. Another interesting idea would be some sort of one-on-one duel system similar to BS.

    Another plus would be actually getting armor/weapons/nanos while we're leveling. At present to get usable/uber items we have to do one thing and to get xp we have to do another. If both these activities could be combined (with like 10%-20% drop rates for the items) then leveling might be interesting again, instead of boring.

    Anyway, catch ya later.

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by defender4 View Post
    Heya, so I'm poking my head back in after taking a break for a few months. It's nice to see friday with means coming back, was starting to look a bit like an abandoned game when it wasn't updated for several months :/.
    It was never gone, they just got lazy for adding it to the AO home page, but there's always been FWM right here on the forums.
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  6. #86
    Combine the Newb Mentor program with the daily agent program: vets issuing missions to newbs for which both get rewards. Succesfully run missions increase 'rank' of issuer... maybe give them structure creation rights or design rewards... "SlowRide's Staff of Righteous Indignation", for instance. Elements that affect the gameworld - especially citywide structures, smuggler runs/economies and/or fringe expansion of SL would be both story-reiterating and highly motivating rewards for issuing individuals or groups.

    Ultimately you'll want to introduce creation variability and useage degradation into items. This will combat the carrotflation that has imbalanced this game for the past few years. You can still have crazy uber phats but they rot/wear out/explode... skills, maintenance and whim varying. It will inspire tradeskillers and refit the original design of combat classes wherein they had to possess certain tradeskills to use their weapons. Give them a reason and it'll bring an interesting, non-tard, sci-fi element back into this game. With this increased complexity and a new graphics engine a single advertizing run on G4, Wired, or Rolling Stone would x10-x100 our player base.

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Technogen View Post
    Daily missions
    Well let’s start by breaking them into 6 categories; Attack, Defend, Investigate, Deliver, Repair, and Destroy. The Attack, Repair, Deliver ones will work like the basic AO Missions. In Attack you’ll go kill someone, in Repair you’ll go fix something, and in deliver you’ll go get something and bring it back. The Investigate missions will be like the current Tagging missions were you have to target people/places. The Destroy missions would send a player into a hostile area to kill a destroyable building, kind of like towers. Leaving the Defend mission being the newest in design, but still slightly like the informant or APF 35 missions.

    Attack Missions
    These would be standard attack missions, Go to location X and Kill Y then return to me with it’s head. These missions would have 2 scale types;
    Solo, which are missions which take place in a mission instance and are full of creatures the player’s level.
    Group, which are missions that are granted solo but done with a group, an example would be “Kill The Mercs.” “Kill the Beast.” “Kill Tri Plumbo”. These are missions that player’s aren’t able to do solo but if they are already in a group going to do the killing they can get extra experience for doing it.

    Defend Missions
    These would be a solo only mission and would involve the player defending an area/person/thing from waves of low HP low damage attacks.
    Example, Defend Dr. Hercules Lincoln from a swarm of zix, while the good Dr will CH you every 30 seconds, but at level 50 it would still be hazardous.

    Investigate missions
    These are the experience gainers, but they are also the more complex to complete. The missions would start off easy with a few “Go see wtf Y is doing” but get more complex as they are completed to “Go retrieve X item from Y, and use X item on Z to see what reaction is given.”
    Players will want to complete Investigate missions as you’ll gain access to the “Research Assistant” a robotic helper that is a social pet that when used will give you a 1 hour +experience buff every few hours. The amount of exp gained and lock will depend on the pets level which will go up each Investigate mission completed.
    Deliver Missions
    These are simple Go get Item X from Y and bring it back, these are low exp given missions but are easy to complete.

    Repair missions
    Simple go to location X and repair Y, may get harder as time goes along as location X will become reinforced with creatures that attack you when you show up.

    Destroy Missions
    These are basic go to location X and make Pew Pew at Y until Y ceases to exist, these missions are easy to do and give experience comparable to Solo attack missions, while granting the player a short beneficial buff.

    Bump for an awesome framework.

    An could the reward PLEASE be a healthy chunk of VP?
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  8. #88
    If FC ever makes our armor/weapons degrade over time, with all seriousness I will leave the game permanently and so will many others. It's hard work to twink on equipment, but that hard work and complexity is part of what sets AO apart from other mmos. Just wash that idea of item degredation out of your mind. If your not convinced of how painful such a system can get, just go try Wurm.

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Autohead View Post
    It was never gone, they just got lazy for adding it to the AO home page, but there's always been FWM right here on the forums.
    Not true, if the player's been gone for 2 to 3 years then there was no FWM back then, which is what I think he means, that he's come back to the game to find FWM. or in this case FW(o)M.
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  10. #90
    Profession Specific Mission Idea:

    Traders: Traders are sent on a mission where they must assassinate three or four specific people/monsters to gather parts which can be tradeskilled into an item (low to moderate tradeskill reqs dependent on Level of player). That item must then be taken to a specific person and "sold" in exchange for some vital piece of information. The information is brought back to the Agency for the quest reward.

    Perhaps to up the interest/difficulty of the mission, the player must ONLY kill the specific people in the mission that they have been assigned, and should have to Mezz or Root all other mobs in the mission. Something like this would better use more of the Trader skills and help teach lower level players how to play their character better.


    Engineers: Engineers could be sent to repair a recon droid which lost contact with the Agency for some reason. The player would have to kill certain mobs to gather parts which would later be used to repair the recon droid. Once the droid is repaired, the droid begins to follow the Engineer and the player must use his/her Bots to escort the recon droid to safety.

    To increase the difficulty of this mission, perhaps on the way back to safety, mobs could try to attack the recon droid and the Engineer would need to use their Bot buffs/heals to better protect the droid while the Bots kill the mobs.
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  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Ebondevil View Post
    Not true, if the player's been gone for 2 to 3 years then there was no FWM back then, which is what I think he means, that he's come back to the game to find FWM. or in this case FW(o)M.
    No, he said "good to see FWM is coming back" as in it went away at some point and it didn't. He also said he was only gone for "a few months"...
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  12. #92
    Will these daily quests give out vp? say vp earned = your level x 10

    (if this has already been suggested, then my apologies)
    Last edited by joblosnake2000; Aug 21st, 2009 at 23:08:52.

  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by joblosnake2000 View Post
    Will these daily quests give out vp? say vp earned = your level x 10

    (if this has already been suggested, then my apologies)
    Yes please...even TL7 BS is dead now.
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  14. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixOfAges View Post
    Not all that have a business register the business name. Those that do register it have the option to defend it should others later use the same name for a business elsewhere. Some movie names or related get trade marked. Then Apple Computers and Apple Records aren't the same name, they just share one word between the two. The examples I gave were the exact same name.

    FC has run into problems in the past with names. I think it was with "Rubi-ka Rumble" but someone copyrighted/trade marked the use of "rumble" in names of things or what not and slapped FC with a lawsuit. FC lost and had to pay out a good bit of money apparently plus legal fees all over the name of some PvP contest. Why take the chance again over a virtual club name in a video game?
    "Rumble" was part of a phrase and the context therein used. technically, what FC did with the "Rumble" phrase was very very similar. thus it was a valid issue.

    if you dont like "The Grind", then just say so. making up a frivolous [legal] reason just looks silly.

    hell, i think its the dumbest name yet for something in game. but its not like it'll be some smash hit that Reet's never could be.

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  15. #95
    Mission idea: Have a mission given to the player to go to a few various zones throughout RK/SL to feed the server hamsters. On RK it can be those power plant looking things in pretty much every zone, and in SL it can be at the incarnators.
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  16. #96
    Is all armor modelling done on chars with bewbs? ^D
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  17. #97
    Kintaii ty for the pictures i love the new armor ^___________^ hope i can get my handz on it soon....
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  18. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by Kintaii View Post
    So anyhoo, you guys are going to be seeing 18.2 on the test servers very shortly - At the moment we're not quite ready to toss up any preliminary patch notes, but those will be coming soon. Besides, you guys already know the majority of what's going into 18.2 because 18.2 was pretty much supposed to be 18.1 and somehow things got weird and dear god I don't understand versioning numbers. ><
    Don't worry we can explain (and maybe earn another cookie for it )

    Version numbers are nothing more then a way for developers to track what was added when. Now some follow a bit more of a "standards" type thing but really the person who writes the code can change the version number however they want. There was one game that started at Version 0.0 and worked it's way to Version -1.0 just cause they thought they were funny

    But basically, the standard idea is MajorBuild.MinorBuild.

    A build is basically when you compile and release the code (not to be confused with just compiling the code for internal testing) though the terminology may differ from programmer to programmer you get the gist of it.

    So 18.1 was still V18 in that nothing big has changed since it became 18 from 17 but small things have been added here and there and that was .1, more stuff being added without the release of .1 would mean that it does become .2 because version numbering has nothing to do with whats released but what the programmer deems as "a finished version" so if 18.1 content was all planned out anything after that would be 18.2 and because 18.1 wasn't released yet it gets tacked onto .2 and released with it. (What makes a change big or small is also determined by the programmer)

    In all technicality the stuff isn't being added to 18.2 it's just being released at the same time and the update is called 18.2 because it's the highest number.

    Hope that makes some sense. (And before people jump on me again as much fun as being the bottom is... I have said that this differs from programmer to programmer so some of this may be "wrong" to you.)

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  19. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by Mahdi007 View Post
    Daily missions: Is the XP reward capped at 10%?
    Mission XP rewards are capped at 20% but was 5% some years back. Mob XP rewards are different and capped at 10%.


    Quote Originally Posted by shadowgod View Post
    "Rumble" was part of a phrase and the context therein used. technically, what FC did with the "Rumble" phrase was very very similar. thus it was a valid issue.

    if you dont like "The Grind", then just say so. making up a frivolous [legal] reason just looks silly.
    I don't care what name they pick but when Means said in a prior FWM the name was not yet selected I said back then already pick something you won't get sued over. The point is to not pick something that could do just that. With a 2009 movie among other such examples by the same exact name it is certainly possible, why risk it over a social venue?


    Quote Originally Posted by defender4 View Post
    I'd like to post an idea here that might help PvP be more open to the untwinked player or players that are towards vp so they can stand their own in PvP. ...
    Most BSs already fail to run while the active ones have frequent activity issues. As AO lacks the PvP population add more ways to split things up as you suggest or with more designed PvP content and things will just get worse. Also you need to remember that PvP in AO is balanced to group vs group combat, not duelling. This is why the min number requirements of BSs are in place. As stated in the last Q&A FWM that will not change after the rebalancing. That combined with the low PvP population make adding functional actual PvP content to AO at this time difficult at best.

  20. #100
    First impression of the armor is that it reminds of Halo armor, for better or worse. I'm not Halo player, nor do I even own a console btw.

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