If you agree that nerfing AS for most profs is the first step to really balancing pvp

**K1nkstaah** · May 15th, 2009, 08:04:51

Yeah, except it isnt required to nerf AS to enhance alternate, non-AS setups,

Which is what the thread is about - Not how good and bad certain classes are with AS.

**erozc** · May 15th, 2009, 08:26:35

Originally Posted by Perskules

agent 10x (all know why)

mp,trader,solja 7x (mp main damage is AS and its supported on items and perks) (solja is master of ranget weapons) (traders starts cry too much if they AS get nerfed)

fixer,ma 5x (MAs got lots damage anyways) (fixers dont deserve 2x capping special)
rest 3x

I R ranged advi and would cry too much if it got nerfed...

What I mean to say is that lists based on such arguments are silly. Also seems always very much like the only agreed upon things are Agents should keep their AS, and everyone's own favorite profession should be a close second in AS effectiviness.

If AS was not to be what it is today, that'd make the Silverback and Tigress unhappy additions. Still, both professions those were intended for have a lot of qualities that could be adjusted to facilitate for better killpower without AS.

Still I must wonder if doing something about AS would be a good thing to AO pvp. I mean, it probably would change the dynamics to something more sensible. But the way it works currently is somehow perversely intriguing.... cap cap swap cap perk perk perk.

**Perskules** · May 15th, 2009, 08:50:27

remove AS from game and give every1 Constant Barrage and Izgimmer's Triple.

**Shareida** · May 15th, 2009, 10:55:17

Originally Posted by Perskules

remove AS from game and give every1 Constant Barrage and Izgimmer's Triple.

At least that would "balance" pvp seriously. lol.

**Redbar** · May 15th, 2009, 14:37:14

Originally Posted by Perskules

remove AS from game and give every1 Constant Barrage and Izgimmer's Triple.

Yay, I want that on my enf

**Gunfytr** · May 15th, 2009, 22:37:13

Originally Posted by Ayria

As I said in my post, Soldiers may be masters of ranged weapons; that doesn't mean they are masters at all ranged weapons. Knowing how to hold a gun and spew bullets semi-accurately is a totally different skill set then knowing how to fire a single shot with precision. People don't become snipers/marksmens by learning how to unload a M16 magazine.

"Masters of Ranged Weapons"......yup, says it all. If it goes "BANG", then Soldiers are masters of it.

**howlin** · May 16th, 2009, 10:25:03

Bump

**Yesiamstoned** · May 18th, 2009, 04:33:02

Originally Posted by Redbar

Yay, I want that on my enf

Sure trade ya for slice n dice

**RedWatr** · May 18th, 2009, 16:40:44

FC's answer to your nerf AS thread:

add more AS

**Kaylinne** · May 18th, 2009, 17:43:56

Originally Posted by Gunfytr

"Masters of Ranged Weapons"......yup, says it all. If it goes "BANG", then Soldiers are masters of it.

Funny, when I slam my frying pan on the table it goes "BANG" too.

**Aethyrguard** · May 18th, 2009, 17:50:15

Originally Posted by Kaylinne

Funny, when I slam my frying pan on the table it goes "BANG" too.

Technically that is "CLANG" not "BANG".. at least from any comic/cartoonist perspective. :P

Also you could just make AS have a simple defensive check:

Perception vs Concealment

If concealment > Perception AS hits
If Perception > Concealment AS misses

or scale damage or what ever.

**Thermonuked** · Jun 24th, 2009, 23:15:10

AS should have def checks, same as everything else in the game, SA however, should have an 11 sec cap time the same as AS.

also, to maintain the balance after the absorbs nerf that happened a couple of years ago, make reflects 1/2 as efficient in pvp, after going from hitting one prof for 1200 per hit, to hitting a soldier for 250 per hit, giving them essentially 500% more hp, making their heals essentially 500% better, also make heals 50% efficient on the BS, as pvp damage is halved, so should heals.

**Marinegent** · Jun 25th, 2009, 01:10:29

As long as agent's have AS immunity, i'm fine with any AS nerfs.

**Luiza** · Jun 25th, 2009, 01:13:30

nerf everyone! make them neutrals!

**tweeeek** · Jun 28th, 2009, 02:25:21

as is clearly broken in pvp (same with sneak), you need to hide for these to work in pvm hence no def check but in pvp theres no concealed req ergo no def checks at all, seems broken to me

just change these attacks to:

(weapon skill + as skill)/2 + aao VS 80% def rating(aad+evade skill) oh and apply acs

actually just thinking about this makes me realise how OP as is

it doesnt have a def check
doesnt check acs
damage isnt like any other special it multiplies meaning the potential for more damage out of it easier then any other special.

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