Friday with Means - May 1st, 2009

[Hacre]

Because those are so reliable. :/

If you rely on procs to pvp you're an idiot. I suck at pvp and even I know that.

Wise beyond your apparent PvP experience. Amusing how those apparently more experienced than yourself, still think proc PvP is any sort of argument.

[Fekal]

He he, I know that proc stuns are unreliable but should have a higher chance to land on NT's than on Fixers.

Still, Hacre claims that fixers has an option against NT's but he can't back it up...

The best option a Fixer has against NT's is to meep ;-p

[Hacre]

Still, Hacre claims that fixers has an option against NT's but he can't back it up...

I can but I'm not going to spoon feed idiots that can't think for themselves. I already gave you enough information to deduce some new ideas from.

[Fekal]

I can but I'm not going to spoon feed idiots that can't think for themselves. I already gave you enough information to deduce some new ideas from.

Highclass argumenting skills there O.o

[Warhead]

What is wrong, please explain? Having 7k HP to allow faster full-health from low-power healing to exploit that you can't be hit for more than 30%, previously 40%, is fine? That is what has been wrong for so many, many years. Not LE nukes.

Wrong is the concept of specials in general still being the only viable solution for many professions and situations - and yes, your doubles and triples fall into the same category in my book. What you described is an entirely different problem I'm not even going to get into.

But theres hope, they seem to be reworking AS and it certainly wont be more powerful afterwards...

[Warhead]

If you care to search, you'll see that my protests at more HP not always being a defense have been plenty.

You missed my point entirely, just like mastablasta.

[Fifty50]

Not without being totally suicidal, so no, not really.

qft

You gain more problems than you fix by going HP on a fixer atm, it IS an option in THEORY, but plain stupidity in practice. Enough said, not a real option.

[Mastablasta]

I wasnt aware that low hp setups were exploits - why doesnt FC do something about them then? I would sure love to see my 13k hp becoming suddenly a flavor of the month for fixers.

You weren't aware? I sure remember people all screaming when NTs had 100 HP and were unkillable.
But hey, as long as it benefits you and those that you for whatever reason don't hold some excessive grudge against, it's fine, no?

Why don't they do something about it? Well, I think the answer to that is pretty simple, and you should be smart enough to figure out yourself why it's been allowed to go as far as it has.

Next to that, then triples and doubles are a bandaid fix to the removal of low HP sploiting.

Wrong is the concept of specials in general still being the only viable solution for many professions and situations - and yes, your doubles and triples fall into the same category in my book. What you described is an entirely different problem I'm not even going to get into.

But theres hope, they seem to be reworking AS and it certainly wont be more powerful afterwards...

Special based combat has been like that for ages, if your point was that white damage is pretty much useless, then you weren't very good at putting it.

[Kaylinne]

You weren't aware? I sure remember people all screaming when NTs had 100 HP and were unkillable.
But hey, as long as it benefits you and those that you for whatever reason don't hold some excessive grudge against, it's fine, no?

No, however unbelievable it may seem to you, I dont remember any screaming about NTs hp for simple reason I didnt pay any attention to epeeners before.
I played PvM in AO until 4 months ago, I played PvM in some other games and everywhere was simple logic that more HP = good.

And no, it doesnt benefit ME smartass, l2read please, I said its retarded and I refuse to reset my body dev to cater broken game mechanics.

You can go on with your regular pissing contest show now.

[Keldros]

Personally I believe a bettter fix than triple would have been to give NTs the PVM nukes we were asking for, and change the way damage caps are figured.

Make it so effective HP = actual HP + 30 * level, that way a lvl 220 still can't be instakilled by a single hit unless they're below 3300 HP. Simple!

But asking Funcom to fix existing code has always been even worse than asking them to fix existing nanos, especially when it's less effort to cut & paste a dozen new nanos that are all equally as broken as the system they're intended to fix.

[Sterva]

I can haz AS pistolz?!

[slashownz]

So will instanced pande be just zods/tnh or are we going to be able to have a go at beast too?

Yes, probably already discussed but I'm lazy.

[DaviasI]

So will instanced pande be just zods/tnh or are we going to be able to have a go at beast too?

Yes, probably already discussed but I'm lazy.

I believe it was said that there will be instanced beast as well as normal beast.

[Gatester]

Future FC AS solution:

"So we are going through with it right?"
"Yep, delete all AS weps but onehander, balance achieved."

[Sterva]

Ironically, onehander is so terrible that if it were the only AS weapon left ingame, most people still wouldn't use it. lol

[gergiskoo]

Wise beyond your apparent PvP experience. Amusing how those apparently more experienced than yourself, still think proc PvP is any sort of argument.

i agree, but by this logic you could argue that evades and NR are also an invalid defense. which is a fine argument, particularly if it results in evades and NR getting boosted for the appropriate proffessions

not to derail the oh-so-constructive thread or anything.

[Hacre]

i agree, but by this logic you could argue that evades and NR are also an invalid defense. which is a fine argument, particularly if it results in evades and NR getting boosted for the appropriate proffessions

not to derail the oh-so-constructive thread or anything.

No you you couldn't make that argument, because the mathematics aren't the same and the proof in practice says otherwise.

[AbsoluteZero]

Looking forward to the Instanced Pande raids. HC raids, even with the diminished amount of raiders (I remember when I first started in HC they used to have to lock the raids at 100 people, and if you were too slow you were out of luck) are still way too easy to complete. The only challenge I see now is finding a caller, or coming in number 1 on the DD list.

With any luck, that feeling of accomplishment one used to get when winning an item that is as coveted as Burden will come back with this instancing, as the number of raiders will drop significantly, but the challenge will rise because of it.

Oh, to compliment the remark about Burden prices on RK1 - I paid 2030 for mine about a month ago, and Arlek won his the other night for over 2200. Is it because the impending instancing that everyone is pushing so many points towards this? Because a few months ago they were going for around 1500-1700.

[Alternity]

Oh, to compliment the remark about Burden prices on RK1 - I paid 2030 for mine about a month ago, and Arlek won his the other night for over 2200. Is it because the impending instancing that everyone is pushing so many points towards this? Because a few months ago they were going for around 1500-1700.

Free 4 Spartans/CzA

[Aiken]

Free 4 Spartans/CzA

lol suuure, when you can win loots that is