Friday with Means - April 17th, 2009

[Javafan]

Then, why do you think a port of a game to a new platform takes less time than to develope the game in the first place?

"Porting" means using an already existing infrastructure...

It has been stated all the time that implementing the engine on the AO code is a not a walk in the park to say the least. Especially since you are talking about almost brand new graphic engine and the mess the +7 years old AO code is...

Try thinking along the lines of fitting a 2005 BMW engine on a 1960 Volga chassis.

[Hacre]

its Common Knowldege that FC isnt porting AO to a new platform.

Yeah.

I want my native Linux client.

[SoldiTwo]

OMG YOU'RE RIGHT!!!!! They must have canceled the engine! Quick everyone complain about it not being out, that will make it come faster!

I did not say that, I wrote that funcom hat not always had coder work fulltime on the new engine, nothing more, nothing less.

its Common Knowldege that FC isnt porting AO to a new platform.

who said that? It's just an an analogy I used and btw in a sense they do port the game, just not to a new platform but to a new gfx engine.

[Sephiroth56]

Yeah.

I want my native Linux client.

Just use wine, noob!!

Or maybe YOU need to use whine.

I did not say that, I wrote that funcom hat not always had coder work fulltime on the new engine, nothing more, nothing less.

I'll wait for this to be written in English before I comment it.

who said that? It's just an an analogy I used and btw in a sense they do port the game, just not to a new platform but to a new gfx engine.

that's like saying your computer is being ported to a new graphics card.

[SoldiTwo]

"Porting" means using an already existing infrastructure...

It has been stated all the time that implementing the engine on the AO code is a not a walk in the park to say the least. Especially since you are talking about almost brand new graphic engine and the mess the +7 years old AO code is...

Try thinking along the lines of fitting a 2005 BMW engine on a 1960 Volga chassis.

"In computer science, porting is the process of adapting software so that an executable program can be created for a computing environment that is different from the one for which it was originally designed (e.g. different CPU, operating system, or third party library). "

straight from wikipedia. ^^
I guess ogre qualifies as a third party library.

[Sephiroth56]

Turns out computing environment != the thing you MAKE the executable from.

[CriticalDmg]

Yes. Nerf the Fixer toolset so you can zerg slaughter people with little difficulty instead of people using a tactic that ruins -your- fun.

After that happens, be sure to complain that no PvP ever occurs too.

I said team evac, not the self one. It's not ruining my fun, it's preventing any fun from both sides - I don't think you or anyone else for that matter thinks of smaking a static tower down as "fun" - we all want PvP.
I am well aware of the attendance numbers on both sides (on rk1) but there must be another way... anything...

[Sephiroth56]

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I'm not a native english speaker. And if you need me to ask you to be literate.. well, have fun, I suppose.

LOL, a third party lib is another computing environment. And btw, the "thing" you make the executeable from is the sourcecode etc.

so by your calculations, the third party lib is the sourcecode which is the programming environment.

EDIT: computing evironment OLOLOL

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[sultryvoltron]

So like.... Neutrals? What and when?

I'd love to hear a little update on when you plan on enacting the "Neutral balance" talks that you told us about previously.

[Kain97]

I said team evac, not the self one. It's not ruining my fun, it's preventing any fun from both sides - I don't think you or anyone else for that matter thinks of smaking a static tower down as "fun" - we all want PvP.
I am well aware of the attendance numbers on both sides (on rk1) but there must be another way... anything...

Sounds like teh meep squads are doing what they're supposed to be doing, which is annoying you. It's a valid tactic, even if you don't like it.

[shadowgod]

I did not say that, I wrote that funcom hat not always had coder work fulltime on the new engine, nothing more, nothing less.

facts on this. where?

who said that? It's just an an analogy I used and btw in a sense they do port the game, just not to a new platform but to a new gfx engine.

you did not imply, infer, or even hint at your comment being just an analogy. besides the Common Knowledge that intergrating an existing graphics engine into an existing game that has been using its own existing graphics engine, is nothing like porting a game to different platforms.

"straight from wikipedia. ^^
I guess ogre qualifies as a third party library.

its also more Common Knowlege that Wiki does not Fact create.

[Hacre]

Even you should know that not all members of this board are native english speakers.
If you don't understand something, just ask or stfu.

Funcom hat not always hat coder in coder box have more make the coder hat for box engine so two year hat permanent more box hats from wiki.

[SoldiTwo]

facts on this. where?

Enno stated that he pitched the new gfx engine project to the decision makers at funcom and that the project was begun by him and that after a short starting period Osman took over the project. You could read in the news that Osman worked at AoC before he got laid off by funcom.

So imho that hints to a period of time were no fulltime programmer worked at the new gfx engine project.

you did not imply, infer, or even hint at your comment being just an analogy. besides the Common Knowledge that intergrating an existing graphics engine into an existing game that has been using its own existing graphics engine, is nothing like porting a game to different platforms.

What do you think is more difficult, interfacing with a new graphics engine or interfacing with a whole new platform?

[Sephiroth56]

At least Hacre is funny, you tried and failed. good luck next time

Whoever said I tried being funny? I was just pointing out that a graphics engine is not a computing environment.

What do you think is more difficult, interfacing with a new graphics engine or interfacing with a whole new platform?

How is that relevant?

[Amosco]

Remember to vote, or ask questions on Google moderator questions for the next few sessions.

http://moderator.appspot.com/#15/e=16202&t=34126

I might have missed Means/any other FC employee say anything about it, but... anyone ever said Means is even looking at that thing ?
I mean as far as I recall Means is answering the questions collected directly from these forums (FwM threads/patch/whatever) and not from some outside of FCs control polling site that makes you register... (and yes I do have a google account already)

Well, the questions that were answered during the last two question and answer sessions of Friday with Means (the one for February and the one for March) ALL --or at least the overwhelming majority-- came from questions posted and voted on in that Google Moderator forum. The answered questions were the top vote getters for each month.

So, while no one has OFFICIALLY made that the place to ask questions of Means for the Q&A session, it has become the de facto place to post questions and have them voted on for priority.

[Hacre]

What do you think is more difficult, interfacing with a new graphics engine or interfacing with a whole new platform?

And you can quantify this how?

Ventrilo has had a "Linux client coming soon" notice on their home page now for the better part of four years. Given how easy it is to write apps -for- Linux, this renders your entire argument null and void.

All pieces of software are different. You have absolutely no clue what is involved in moving AO to a new graphics engine. If you did, you'd have more substantive posts beyond quoting crap from Wikifailure.

You have no more authority to tell FC that "two years is too long for an engine lololol" than I have to tell BMW that they should have mass production vehicles that can run on water by now. Knowing that you -can- separate hydrogen from water doesn't make it easy, or quick, just like knowing you -can- move a game to a new graphics engine doesn't mean you know it should be done by now.

Do yourself a favour. Shut up.

[Kaylinne]

Didnt take full 3 pages to fill the thread with petty arguments

[Hacre]

Didnt take full 3 pages to fill the thread with petty arguments

But HE started it!

[Kaylinne]

But HE started it!

/spank both of you