Friday With Means - January 16th, 2009

[Vhax]

It's been said by other far more knowledgeable people on the forums that a new physics engine is -possible- with the new rendering engine FC are using.

I have no idea if it'll happen that way or not though.

I'd have to hear from those "far more knowledgeable people", because I'm personally using Ogre and it's just a rendering engine, nothing more.

You do know collision is a server-side thing right (though possible some client side checks for dead reckoning)

It's an isolated thing. The graphics engine and collision don't relate to each other.

You might not want to throw "far more knowledgeable people" at me too often :P
I know there's several that infact are, but there's plenty that only claim they are and have zero experience in actual game development.

[rustinel]

Your mother must be so proud...

But ofc

It's a graphics engine.

It's been said by other far more knowledgeable people on the forums that a new physics engine is -possible- with the new rendering engine FC are using.

I have no idea if it'll happen that way or not though.

First of all I must post my qualifications on this subject...zero, I know next to nothing about coding, I am hardware.

However I do read these forums a lot and have been under the impression engine will be responsible for everything in the game. We are not getting new textures etc, they are redoing casting apparently and may look at other stuff in the future.
The current engine AO runs on, would it even have a physics engine? Seems to me all the physics we see currently is simple animations, no actual physics engines involved. But again I have posted my qualifications and could be totally wrong...educate me!

[Technogen]

Man knock back shotguns would have been nice

Maybe now that knockback wont work you could attempt a KnockDOWN code work. Since it wouldnt actually move the player just knock them down for a second so they couldnt do stuff while they get up from it.

[Vhax]

However I do read these forums a lot and have been under the impression engine will be responsible for everything in the game. We are not getting new textures etc, they are redoing casting apparently and may look at other stuff in the future.
The current engine AO runs on, would it even have a physics engine? Seems to me all the physics we see currently is simple animations, no actual physics engines involved. But again I have posted my qualifications and could be totally wrong...educate me!

I'll educate you

FC is implementing Ogre as their new rendering engine.
Ogre is a rendering engine. Just that and nothing more.

FC might be overhauling different parts of code while doing this, but it would be unlikely.
Additionally, most important aspects of the collision are done server-side, which is completely isolated from the client code which furthermore suggests the new engine has nothing to do with collision in general.

[Hacre]

I'd have to hear from those "far more knowledgeable people", because I'm personally using Ogre and it's just a rendering engine, nothing more.

You do know collision is a server-side thing right (though possible some client side checks for dead reckoning)

It's an isolated thing. The graphics engine and collision don't relate to each other.

You might not want to throw "far more knowledgeable people" at me too often :P
I know there's several that infact are, but there's plenty that only claim they are and
have zero experience in actual game development.

It was actually you that I -thought- I was remembering saying something about that.

Anyway, my bad. I read that graphics engine thread where you thoroughly schooled some idiot, I must be inaccurately recalling something. I could have sworn you said something about physics...I guess not

[rustinel]

I'll educate you

FC is implementing Ogre as their new rendering engine.
Ogre is a rendering engine. Just that and nothing more.

FC might be overhauling different parts of code while doing this, but it would be unlikely.
Additionally, most important aspects of the collision are done server-side, which is completely isolated from the client code which furthermore suggests the new engine has nothing to do with collision in general.

Thank you

I think they said they are redoing casting but nothing more for now. I wonder if that includes perk execution, they seem very similar.

So from what you are saying Knockbacks will never be implemented?

[Vhax]

So from what you are saying Knockbacks will never be implemented?

Not exactly. I'm more saying the current effort being made for improved graphics won't affect the collision detection.

I think due to time constraints and resource management they might postpone knockback but I truly hope they consider reimplementing collision detection (possibly using one of the many really nicely optimized packages available).

Infact, I believe their current willingness to use 3rd party libraries (Ogre) might make it more likely for them to reimplement collision using a 3rd party library (Havok, PhysX, ODE, Bullet, etc).
I hope they will, they'll open up new doors along the way.

[rustinel]

Not exactly. I'm more saying the current effort being made for improved graphics won't affect the collision detection.

I think due to time constraints and resource management they might postpone knockback but I truly hope they consider reimplementing collision detection (possibly using one of the many really nicely optimized packages available).

Infact, I believe their current willingness to use 3rd party libraries (Ogre) might make it more likely for them to reimplement collision using a 3rd party library (Havok, PhysX, ODE, Bullet, etc).

Ok Means, I know you are probably busy ironing your shirt for tomorow etc but please hire Vhab and put him at work right away!





Or the doll gets it....

[Vhax]

Ok Means, I know you are probably busy ironing your shirt for tomorow etc but please hire Vhab and put him at work right away!

You know... it's awfully cold out there!

[trousers]

Not exactly. I'm more saying the current effort being made for improved graphics won't affect the collision detection.

I think due to time constraints and resource management they might postpone knockback but I truly hope they consider reimplementing collision detection (possibly using one of the many really nicely optimized packages available).

Infact, I believe their current willingness to use 3rd party libraries (Ogre) might make it more likely for them to reimplement collision using a 3rd party library (Havok, PhysX, ODE, Bullet, etc).
I hope they will, they'll open up new doors along the way.

WTB Chair I can Sit in!

[rustinel]

You know... it's awfully cold out there!

I'm willing to bet Means does a sideline in hamster-fur coats.

He probably tells AO players who buy them its leet fur.

[Technogen]

Do leets have fur? that would be cool!

[rustinel]

Do leets have fur? that would be cool!

Thankfully I have never seen a shaved leet...

[Vhax]

I'm willing to bet Means does a sideline in hamster-fur coats.

He probably tells AO players who buy them its leet fur.

Mmm hamster-fur coats.

Really though. FC won't offer and I won't take it
I got my own fun stuff brewing over here.

[Rewo]

I think they said they are redoing casting but nothing more for now.

I'm pretty sure that any reference to workload regarding casting was that they needed to redo all the nano effects, purely a visual thing.

[Hacre]

Mmm hamster-fur coats.

Really though. FC won't offer and I won't take it
I got my own fun stuff brewing over here.

You're missing an "a" in your sig.

[Vhax]

You're missing an "a" in your sig.

I'm not :P

[Ocene]

The new OS is looking very promising. Looking forward to testing it!

[Darkirbiskaa]

Hmm,snare after knocback,so omnis don´t need wasting their SB3 roots,we have to do only two OSs in row,nice and easy

[Hacre]

I'm not :P

"so I became game developer"

If you're referring to "game developer" as a (proper) noun then it should be capitalised.

Otherwise, you "became a game developer".