Friday with Means - January 9th, 2009

[Hacre]

Shortly.
1.OS should kill everyone in range and FC should fix NT's absorb.So this new Means idea is really bad.
2.You want to do more TL7 NW, but TL7 NW wars are only about zerg and lag. It is only /assist.
3.Claners want to have tl7 NW,cause they think they are strong enough,but they didn't hold the smallest TL7 fields at RK1 and larger tl7 fields....they didn't destroy CT before their wipe.
And no,they weren't huge outnumbered,they just wiped.Sparta is Sparta....
4.Whine about op omni SBs...this is usual argument for side with lazy or stupid people and for other small kids from WOW.
5.Now you can blame me for truth,cause claners are really sux,at least at RK1 and that FC is changing OS it doesn't help them

Do all Clanners on RK2 suck too then? Amazing isn't it, how a few hundred people, who all suck, decide to roll Clan on both servers.

[ninor]

Is that some outlook on the future of AO???


It's from the new (otherwise horrible) registration page....

[Falkvinge]

Is that some outlook on the future of AO???


It's from the new (otherwise horrible) registration page....

looks more like old concept art tho :\

I really would like to see LE missions look more like this with the new engine...
http://www.anarchy-online.com/anarch...k_entrance.jpg
( I know it's not going to look like that but it would be nice neverthless )

And I hope that the annoying ground animation on Alienships is beeing changed.
And I also hope that the annoying Hawk sound effect is going to get changed as well..
And I hope that there's still hope in having hope of hoping to have hope in some hope...

[Lupusceleri]

My only question:

When they do take orbitals out of game, or at least change them I hope, who is going to be the first one to say "you were right" when the tower situation still is not different, and TL7 towers still look the same? All of this whining based on TL7 orbitals? Clan just had most TL5 and dominated TL5 for a while and orbitals are part of TL5 right?...now look at the situation. Omni got organized and started to move. Fortunately its not orbitals that is the problem its numbers and organization. It seems no matter where we turn our heads the defeated always have an excuse.

Towers....oh its orbitals and SB
Tara...its lag and sync issues

I for one want to see more Tower action but if/when omni loses its dominance (some don't remember clan used to dominate towers as well) I will not be waiting in line to blame game mechanics. Last I checked we both play with the same client and server no matter your faction.

I'd like to inform you that TL7 clan on RK2 dominate tara now. Without a problem. Even with Omni popping SB.

We dominate TL4 towers, I think there are maybe 2 or 3 TL4 omni bases left. We dominate TL5 towers.

But TL7? Ohhh hell no. Even though we obviously have the organisation, numbers, and motivation for it or else we couldn't win Tara or lower TL wars either.

Why would this be? I'm thinking VERY much it's a combination of two abilities applied as a magical band-aid whenever Omni feels they can't win the fight the normal way: Root SB + Orbital Strike.

Just the root SB is not the problem, we dealt with this before LE and we even owned every TL7 base out there at one point. We can also take Tara and hold it, while you can Root SB all you want there.

Just OS is not the problem, we deal with this on TL5 wars and lower... and besides, Clan uses OS too at TL7 and Omni seems to have no problems surviving it at TL7.

What's that tell you about the combination of root SB+OS?

Yep, it's really that obvious Madrid.

[Darkirbiskaa]

Do all Clanners on RK2 suck too then? Amazing isn't it, how a few hundred people, who all suck, decide to roll Clan on both servers.

Both servers need better leaders than they got and no epeeners with bunch of pvm noobs.

[Hacre]

Both servers need better leaders than they got and no epeeners with bunch of pvm noobs.

Now read Lupu's response, and stfu.

[Darkirbiskaa]

Now read Lupu's response, and stfu.

Yes,he posted it a few sec before me,so i didn't see it.
I have to correct my post:
Only RK1 server need better leader than they got and no epeeners with bunch of pvm noobs.

[Lupusceleri]

Yes,he posted it a few sec before me,so i didn't see it.
I have to correct my post:
Only RK1 server need better leader than they got and no epeeners with bunch of pvm noobs.

Okay, and what does that tell you about the combination of root SB and Orbital Strike?

[Hacre]

Okay, and what does that tell you about the combination of root SB and Orbital Strike?

Well on RK1, relations were strained between the PvPers and the PvMers for a while.

However, SB+OS drove all the 12 inch nails it needed to in the coffin of any remaining enthusiasm on a large scale.

[styles999]

Happy new year,

I would have to disagree with changing os too drastic, I personally think it should kill most things.
I think having something equivilent to a "moaab" being dropped on you will kill almost everything including buildings/towers/cars etc..etc..

I dont believe it should be lessened in terms of dmg (to players), but enhanced in what it does dmg ...IE: towers, friendlies, mobs, npc's, leets (yes even leets)

also think of os+sb like a howitzer and a stealth fighter, howitzer can fire pretty fast for a small area, fighter has alot of dmg but is really slow...and also instead of just one area around the ct (that everyone expects) make it random on location or make it to where we are able to choose specific coords on the field to hit (thus needing an agent or someone with conceal to "Call in strikes to a given point)

[ragerayden]

Can't they just remove OS already :/ along with mechs(for NW that is).

[Hacre]

Just make SBs only work in SL. Problem solved.

[Harios]

What's that tell you about the combination of root SB+OS?

Yep, it's really that obvious Madrid.

I am not saying that OS+SB isn't an overpowered combination.
But omni normally gathers more people for towers than for tara.
So blaming it all on OS+SB.. isn't right.

[styles999]

I am not saying that OS+SB isn't an overpowered combination.
But omni normally gathers more people for towers than for tara.
So blaming it all on OS+SB.. isn't right.

/agree

thats why they should make it to where one fires ALOT faster and one is REALLY slow, so you only get 1 time to fire both at once

along with having it damage everything, it would drasticly slow their use (if the ppl shooting know it will also damage their own towers, along with making it alil more realistic i think)

[Darkirbiskaa]

Just make SBs only work in SL. Problem solved.

I will stop useing in my posts:you are idiot and I will use:you are hacre.It is more accurate.

[Hacre]

I will stop useing in my posts:you are idiot and I will use:you are hacre.It is more accurate.

Har de har

What? You claim it's all superior skill on Omni part and nothing to do with SB+OS combo, what do you stand to lose if SBs only work in SL?

They should only work in SL anyway, they're SHADOWbreeds not RUBIKAbreeds. You should welcome this suggestion, it would finally prove your superior Omni ability and intellect is far above anything Clan can muster.

[Ocene]

I'm in favor of option 1 combined with option 2, like Harios and Timmy said.

[Ocene]

I am not saying that OS+SB isn't an overpowered combination.
But omni normally gathers more people for towers than for tara.
So blaming it all on OS+SB.. isn't right.

Agreed.

But hey, TL7 NW is dead. This change will revive it, hopefully.

Somehow clans hate it, the same clans that spam AOE roots and SB on us all the time..this change will be good for both sides.

SB to Shadowlands, Knockbacks with an OS and bring on the fight!

Oh and please Means, while at it, please add more TL7 sites.. honestly we are fighting for too few, always taken by the same big orgs, making smaller orgs feeling out of it.

Something that popped in my mind was to add TL7 NW sites to SL..terrain strategy, hills, cliffs, etc would make it a lot of fun. I think some are already there, but unusable now.

[madrid]

I'd like to inform you that TL7 clan on RK2 dominate tara now. Without a problem. Even with Omni popping SB.

We dominate TL4 towers, I think there are maybe 2 or 3 TL4 omni bases left. We dominate TL5 towers.

But TL7? Ohhh hell no. Even though we obviously have the organisation, numbers, and motivation for it or else we couldn't win Tara or lower TL wars either.

Why would this be? I'm thinking VERY much it's a combination of two abilities applied as a magical band-aid whenever Omni feels they can't win the fight the normal way: Root SB + Orbital Strike.

Just the root SB is not the problem, we dealt with this before LE and we even owned every TL7 base out there at one point. We can also take Tara and hold it, while you can Root SB all you want there.

Just OS is not the problem, we deal with this on TL5 wars and lower... and besides, Clan uses OS too at TL7 and Omni seems to have no problems surviving it at TL7.

What's that tell you about the combination of root SB+OS?

Yep, it's really that obvious Madrid.

Yes, its so obvious that 50 threads have been made about it and there is still no real answer. My bad. If you read my post you'll notice I'm for changing OS btw.

[bungerman]

Hi Means. I'm glad to see OS changed. What do you think about making assist PvM only and its effect on mass PvP?

I only see a few getting to the root of the problem in the first place. /assist. that is the cause of blobs. which in turn caused OS to be made, which in turn caused the OS+SB combo to be made.

/assist is no fun, it mostly a #s war. Don't you people want to have fun at tower wars? how is not dying because of pure chance when your %t is not called?

there is no skill in /assist and blobing, it's boring and why I don't go to tower wars. if there is some way to spread out both blobs (just one being spread out won't do) then I'm sure others might go more as well.

address the purpose of blobing in the first place (/assist) then you might not have to change the mechanics after all.