Bump for Soldiers love patch

**Epsilon3** · Oct 4th, 2002, 09:28:49

Originally posted by Paxton
You've been warned. You're fired.

[Edit] Okay I'll be more specific. Have you forgotten agents? What if you outdamage them? Of course soldiers should be doing as much as enforcers, but if you outdamage agents who would ever want them in a team? No one does now. You can't realistically expect to TAKE and DEAL the most damage at once.

Err no...Enforcers take the most dmg. Thats why they have hp buffs like essence. But sol's should be second best.
Otherwise whats the point? No aggro, no dmg, no heals, no tradesills, no nothing.
As far as out damaging agents....Agents arn't meant to do more dmg than soldiers... The point of being an agent is to sneak evade and execute opportunistic strikes through the game.

**________________Enri** · Oct 4th, 2002, 09:41:11

Ooh, execute opportunistic strikes! Fancy euphemism for "Doing no damage and being worthless but feeling uber." I'm gonna end here because you can list advantages and disadvantages all day, but without mathematical rigor, it means nothing. Go figure out how many hit points reflect shield saves you from losing (the only buff, save crappy damage debuffs that can reduce damage below minimum) in one battle and how much easier it is for a healer to replenish and perhaps when you pass algebra we'll talk. And stop comparing yourself to MAs. FunCom raised the bar with the love patch and now everyone else sucks. Gotta wait your turn.

**Epsilon3** · Oct 4th, 2002, 09:42:55

ugh...n00b
the math has been posted up here on the boards countless times so I will not go through it agian. You go make a soldier and level it up to 150 and see if you're still singing the same tune untill then you have no idea of what you're talking about. In fact none of your characters is above 100 are they? And as for me passing algebra, Ive passed it, trig, calculus and done more complicated math then you will probably ever even see. So dont give me that crap.

Your conclusions about the current state of soldiers aside, the fact still remains.

Soldiers need love.

So...Bump

**Johnathgalt** · Oct 4th, 2002, 17:54:34

Originally posted by Paxton
You've been warned. You're fired.

[Edit] . . . You can't realistically expect to TAKE and DEAL the most damage at once.

Take the time to educate yourself about soldiers complaints before you make statements like this. Its not accurate.

nd stop comparing yourself to MAs. FunCom raised the bar with the love patch and now everyone else sucks. Gotta wait your turn.

First, not everyone else sucks. Second, you think our love will come without complaining fine, but if we complain in the mean time whats the harm to you.

If soldiers did more damage than "damage dealing" professions, then they would take TWO roles, and all you would need for a perfect group is soldiers, docs, and maybe a calmer. If you can't see how that would break roles, therefore invvalidating every other profession, you're fired.

You don't think soldiers are a "damage dealing" profession?

From the mouths of Funcom: “[Soldiers] are not the ones who are supposed to deal the highest amount of damage over short periods of time, nor the highest overall damage, but they should be among the best.”

Now at lvls 130ish plus when certain noncombat professions start doing similar damage to soldiers; I think we have a right to complain that our role as “among the best” damage dealers is not fulfilled.

**________________Enri** · Oct 5th, 2002, 03:03:28

I think I need to clarify my stance on soldiers, because you are getting the wrong ideas.

I am aware that soldiers are somewhat of gimps right. Also, I do believe that soldiers need some love, BUT, I think soldiers have the wrong idea on that kind of love. I NEVER said soldiers did the most damage or tank the best. They tank in a close second to enforcers... and need some love. But let me ask, do you want that love to be more damage? Have you read other professions complaints? So far the profession balance is 2 tanks, 3 calmers, 1 healer and the rest are supposed "damage dealers." Now let me ask, when the love arrives, do you want to be a badass tank soldier that can equal enforcers in toughess? Or do you want to be yet another wussy "damage dealer" that hides behind an enforcer and jerks off at the "big numbers."

--Quite frankly, I am tired of hearing the phrase "doing damage," there are several other ways to be an effective team player.

**loca** · Oct 5th, 2002, 03:11:29

Originally posted by Paxton
I think Or do you want to be yet another wussy "damage dealer" that hides behind an enforcer and jerks off at the "big numbers."

--Quite frankly, I am tired of hearing the phrase "doing damage," there are several other ways to be an effective team player.

wow...u wonna be a Rambo?) heh wuss ...

**loca** · Oct 5th, 2002, 03:13:24

soldiers arent gimps..most of posters here are..for sure

play a trader..100% u will be gimp again

**BoomDoom** · Oct 5th, 2002, 13:24:54

Originally posted by Johnathgalt
Now at lvls 130ish plus when certain noncombat professions start doing similar damage to soldiers; I think we have a right to our role as “among the best” damage dealers is not fulfilled.

I'm not so sure about that. Most of the soldiers I've seen have done just fine being among the best damage dealers in the team, with MA's nearly always winning and my NT holding her own most (but not all) of the time.

**doomfarer-cdn** · Oct 6th, 2002, 00:09:39

Make damage 100%, it would be really interesting to see the affect it would have on pvp. *grins evilly* I don't even bother doing PVP cuz i think it's a waste of time being so unbalanced for various classes.

And just maybe - maybe - it would be appropriate to give us an anti root buff.
I know that nano resist is buggered, but what the hell is the point of haveing a skill that doesn't work on the list? At least that would even the playing field for al the wasted ip's and skill resets i used up earlier in my characters life.

**Angelhunter** · Oct 6th, 2002, 01:00:59

BUUUUUUMMMMMMMPPPPPPPPPP

I still want my damn Nophex Funcom!!!!!

**Johnathgalt** · Oct 6th, 2002, 02:54:55

Originally posted by BoomDoom
I'm not so sure about that. Most of the soldiers I've seen have done just fine being among the best damage dealers in the team, with MA's nearly always winning and my NT holding her own most (but not all) of the time.

My main point with respect to the posters apparent view that soldiers are not "damage dealers."

With respect to whether are not we are "among the best," I'm sure we could argue about it all day long (personally, based on my experience I think we are a little underpowered). I don't necessarily agree word for word with everything every soldier said in this thread, but I agree with the principle that we need lubin.

**Epsilon3** · Oct 7th, 2002, 21:21:56

Bada Bump!

**___________Deepeyes6** · Oct 7th, 2002, 22:15:54

bump

**________Sturmkampfer** · Oct 10th, 2002, 07:23:43

BUMP

**______________Yazule** · Oct 10th, 2002, 14:29:18

bump

**Rackne** · Oct 10th, 2002, 14:44:01

1. Unerf reflective shields (make it actually reflect % like before)...that alone I believe fixes most of our damn problems (make rrf/rrfe soldier-only then)

2. cap healing in pvp just a dmg is...why wouldnt you do this in the very first place?..it only makes sense

3. Nophex boss loot !!

um....bump

**Sumohanky** · Oct 10th, 2002, 15:14:54

bump

**Whitesand** · Oct 11th, 2002, 00:27:54

*bump*

**Sethil** · Oct 13th, 2002, 07:36:02

dont forget to bump

**_____________Soul132** · Oct 13th, 2002, 13:14:31

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