Update: Plans and Progress!

**Towerblock** · May 5th, 2008, 20:19:47

Aye, 100% everything is just game of trumping, and thats lame.

**Dagget** · May 5th, 2008, 20:19:50

Sounds like they have the same randomness factor that they use when opening chests. If my B&E is close to that needed to open a chest, I'll probably open it on the 1st or 2nd try, if my skill is lower, it may take 10 or 20 tries to open it...or never if the differential is too much.

**TheBaron** · May 5th, 2008, 22:35:21

Originally Posted by Silirrion

The problem is that it's not that easy to gauge, now perform that check a 100 times and it might be more a telling test. A one for one test isn't going to show out anything that we can rely on. It is perfectly possible you might have succeeded without the buff the second time it was tried as well. (random number generators are annoying like that when it comes to testing checks that have inherent chances of success and failure

) The early feedback from test suggests that the players playing there have seen a change, but its also early tests there as well.

That said it might be checking it somewhere else hiding away in the code, and that is exactly why we wanted to test further before releasing it to live. It might be that checking the unbuffed against the buffed values doesn't end up changing much given people's set-ups and stats but we want to be sure

Having concealed and seen people countless thousands of times I can quite clearly confirm you are wrong.

The only possible possible situation where this may come into effect is if you sneak while outside of visual range, and then move into visual range.

But even then, concealment and perception buffs do seem to have an impact.

**Biggysmallz** · May 5th, 2008, 22:44:22

Originally Posted by TheBaron

Having concealed and seen people countless thousands of times I can quite clearly confirm you are wrong.

The only possible possible situation where this may come into effect is if you sneak while outside of visual range, and then move into visual range.

But even then, concealment and perception buffs do seem to have an impact.

I agree.
Think this is more to do with someone moving in someones range checking conceal/perception.

**Nobody** · May 5th, 2008, 22:46:19

this week is also gonna fix the exploit involving a certain ring and shoulder items?

**Berinda** · May 5th, 2008, 22:59:12

Just because I'm the nosy type and am interested in how systems work, will the 17.9 update include "foundation" type stuff we're not going to notice that will let the 18.0 graphics engine be applied easier?

**Doctor** · May 6th, 2008, 01:31:14

Originally Posted by TheBaron

Having concealed and seen people countless thousands of times I can quite clearly confirm you are wrong.

The only possible possible situation where this may come into effect is if you sneak while outside of visual range, and then move into visual range.

But even then, concealment and perception buffs do seem to have an impact.

Frankly when someone with access to the actual code, who is responsible for the game, and fixing bugs, tells you something, you get bet that he's more likely to be right than you.

**kiggity** · May 6th, 2008, 02:25:44

except that I have had the same perception score since i've been 220, and my shade friend has had the same conceal score until she did the DB quest.

pre-DB quest's conceal buff i ALWAYS saw her, post conceal buff i NEVER see her. its safe to say she has hit conceal more than once in each of these scenarios.

if she is in conceal when i enter a zone however, she is ALWAYS stealthed even before the buff was created. and if there is a randomness to this check, its not noticeable, I see the same people(from my own faction at least) on BS pretending to stealth every time, and i can't see the ones with high conceal ever.

most boring video ever:
Test Video

stats:
my perception base skill 1174
my perception without stare: 1384
my perception with stare: 1984

shade conceal base skill: 1388
shade conceal w/o buff : 1734
shade conceal with buff: 2234

exact results i posted in my first post in this thread were reproduced the first time during filming

**landdog** · May 6th, 2008, 04:20:40

Originally Posted by Doctor

Frankly when someone with access to the actual code, who is responsible for the game, and fixing bugs, tells you something, you get bet that he's more likely to be right than you.

One would hope so, yes.

But unless he isn't very good at explaining what he means, he does seem more than a bit wrong. It happened to me to forget to cast Ruse when I was doing TL5 BS and only realized it after a fixer saw me in sneak. Of course that buffed he never saw me (and yes, I didn't do a 100-tries test, but I did meet that guy a lot there).

Sillirion - Why don't you guys contact the original devs? It's not the first time that this "we were looking through the dark corners of the code" comes up. It's obvious you don't know exactly how or even why some things work the way they do, better ask them ffs.

**Moldark** · May 6th, 2008, 04:47:29

Originally Posted by landdog

Sillirion - Why don't you guys contact the original devs?

Because those devs are currently unavailable as the 3rd circle of hell doesn't have very good phone service

**Technogen** · May 6th, 2008, 04:59:58

Originally Posted by Moldark

Because those devs are currently unavailable as the 3rd circle of hell doesn't have very good phone service

THIS X666!!! there's a reason FC said GTFO!

**Esqi** · May 6th, 2008, 05:06:58

*dials 1800olddev*

[Sil]: Hey this craig from Funcom, Anarchy Online Division, could you please connect me to the dev who did the conceal/percept code in the SL release of the game, thank you in advance!

[Sil]: Oh and yeah, reverse charges please - cant let upper management hear bout this

[Operator]: Sure, connecting you now..

Phone dials, international tone -

[Receptionist]: Hello and welcome to Master's Palace in Zaire, how can i be of assistance?

[Sil]: *sigh* Hi my names Craig and im the GD at FC for AO

[Receptionist]: GD, FC, Ao?? Sorry please explain

[Sil]: Ok, my name is craig and im from Funcom, Anarchy Online division. Im after the dev who did our conceal vs perception code! Please transfer me asap *stern tone*

[Receptionist]: Oh, wait a minute please *holds hand across speaker of handpiece* It's a call for The Wolf, what am to do, he warned me about this..* *Panics*

[Receptionist]: Hello Craig, Transferring you now..

[Sil]: *a little timid and anxious* Great, thank yo *is cut off*

Ring Ring, Ring Ring..

[The Wolf]: Erm, Hullo thar?

[Sil]: Hey Wolf, it's Sil from FC, GD of AO! Who you been man..

[The Wolf]: Not bad, cant complain when laying on the beach sippin burbon and cokes, while having my heard of women pick up pencils i keep dropping on the floor for me.

[Sil]: Oh right, the reason for my call is that we found some abnormalities in the code you worked on leading up to SL, the perc vs conceal checks etc..

[The Wolf]: Wasnt me..

[Sil]: Well you did play a

Sil is rudely interupted

[The Wolf]: WASNT ME MAN, GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD

[Sil]: Riight, we got the logs man..

[The Wolf]: Screen shot or it didnt happen!

[Sil]: Better yet, i have it frapsed buddy jim! You Tubing it now pal.

Marius's voice can be heard in background.. "Wtf is going on wolf? you talkin to the enemy again?

[The Wolf]: I DONT know what your talking about or referring to, i must go ..*Marius snaps the phone from The Wolf

[Marius]: This is Marius here, please announce yourself..

[Sil]: Hey Mar, it's Sil, hows it hanging

[Marius]: To the left with a slight twist, what do you want with The Wolf?

A rather perplexed Sil gathers some composure and responds..

[Sil]: Im just after some info on the perc vs conceal code..we found some iregularities.. and erm *is cut off by Marius*

[Marius]: I cannot elaborate any further than we have already done, you will need to speak to Hamburg..

*Hangs up on Sil*

[Sil]: We got a problem Metaing, Code 4 Yellow alert - have the Forums monitored and i will face the press in 30mins.. i can only imagine the nt whines now..

[Metaing]: *Oh Noes, forams time*

[Sil]: yer..

**Kiwidude** · May 6th, 2008, 05:16:54

1) Thanks for the update.
2) Another server down/update in clan beast week.

3) Im guessing that it will also be in primetime gaming time for anyone in the Sth Hemisphere.

For 2) and 3), could we maybe share the love around once and a while please?

**Chrys** · May 6th, 2008, 07:14:25

Thanks for the update Sil. Good communication between devs and players is always appreciated

**Spart** · May 6th, 2008, 07:59:03

Originally Posted by Esqi

<snip>

Excellent.

**-Stage-** · May 6th, 2008, 08:06:16

Originally Posted by Technogen

Everything is random in the game. 100%s would be boring.

I'd like to randomly evade SnD sometimes :-(

**Mary** · May 6th, 2008, 08:06:50

I'm realy looking forward to lowereing ts reqs on infused db pistol so i can reequip my ts engie and get him back on track without sense of being leecher, can you squeeza that little thingie in too in this one ?

**Stabbah** · May 6th, 2008, 08:27:31

Originally Posted by Silirrion

So there you have it, that's the current game-plan and we will of course keep you updated with any further developments!

So when are the shade improvements or the ai 30 reward inc!?!

**Trgeorge** · May 6th, 2008, 08:42:28

Bad time to go digging into dark and musty corners of the Code, especially with AoC beta and incresed need for devs.

**Artyomis** · May 6th, 2008, 09:46:57

Wtb Extreme Low-Light Targeting Scopes back into the game and be lootable from some mobs/dynas or whateva.

Plx!

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