[ALL] OTPC: The terrorist: Harland “Retoolkit” Brigetty Arrested!

[Alexanderw]

and you sir are blind in that case

There are many people are recorded in history with metal problems that were able to plan a prepare large scale events. Many of who where able to build large empires that were quickly over thrown once their mental state took a turn for the worse.

please educate your self before you say things like that.


I do not support his actions nor do I play him as the victim. I'm just saying the punishment does not fit the crime nor does that title of terrorist.

[Lysandrel]

If you can plan things out rationally, then you're capable of rational thought and thus should not be considered unresponsible for your actions. Also what would you have them do? Lock him up forever? Execute him? Reform is actually about as light as it gets.

terrorist noun
a person who tries to frighten people or governments into doing what he/she wants by using or threatening violence

Hmm. Terrorist? Yep.

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((Small OOC aside: 99.9% of the time proof of pre-meditation on the act renders an insanity plea totally worthless in court. Only time it's ever been upheld regardless of that was in the case of battered women. >.> ))

[Xenotric]

Is mental tampering that much of a punishment? Are you smoking something? Its a violation of a human body that no one should ever be allowed to do. No one should have the right to exact chemical and biological punishment on anyone, even the worst of criminals. Not only is a violation of the body, but you render the victim to a state of enforced submission. Its morally wrong, and ethically an abomination.

I never said it was right, but all things considered Omni-tek has access to much worse fates, if all that happens is he gets reformed and such, well then he's free, as shown by multiple people reformation isn't 100% effective or permenant.

Sure reformation isn't a nice thing, but I'd take it over execution or permenant imprisonment. Not that I should ever find my self in such a situation mind.

[Dabblez]

I demand a full pardon for Retoolkit. Only a mad society would lock up it's best and brightest minds!

Dabblez

[Nyadach]

What kind of utter set up job is this one? framing people again Pol? sheesh surely there must be some criminal types out there for you to actually chase...I guess not as that requires actually doing something not just framing some poor sod and their robots.

As for metal tampering...in the kind that Reform specialises in. Well, it will all come down to how good at it they are, and considering...well everything....the chances of that are as likely as a calculeet in a pink tutu replacing Zora. Although many of us would prefer such a situation

[Iaitoo]

At least it was a clean arrest! No casualties other than those guards that retools robots sent to reclaim... But why wasn't the arrest made by omni-police? Sure they were there, but there was actually a representative from omni-AF that took retoolkit in...

[trousers]

At least it was a clean arrest! No casualties other than those guards that retools robots sent to reclaim... But why wasn't the arrest made by omni-police? Sure they were there, but there was actually a representative from omni-AF that took retoolkit in...

My understanding is that once the Unicorns fell under attack the issue moved from a Civilian matter to a Military Matter. Since the Armed-Forces have more authority then the Police, they took him in. It is possible, albeit unlikely, that he may face Military Charges as well as Civil Charges from the police following the hearing of the Tribunal.

Again, this is all speculation.

[Lysandrel]

No framing occured, if you bothered to even read the entirity of this discussion you'd see many neutrals can give first hand accounts on what happened, he said he was going to do it almost a week before, and there's evidence POL has ever framed people. Baseless conspiracy theorists...

[Stillian]

I'm unaware of whether this arrest took place in Borealis or not, since I'm currently writing from the Hefschinger Star Cluster! However, if the arrest took place in Borealis, Omni-AF would have no trouble whatsoever placing Retoolkit under arrest, as the city is still under martial law. The arrest would still have had to be performed by Military Police, unless specifically directed otherwise. I suggest you look into this area, if you feel the arrest was unjust.

[Iaitoo]

My understanding is that once the Unicorns fell under attack the issue moved from a Civilian matter to a Military Matter. Since the Armed-Forces have more authority then the Police, they took him in. It is possible, albeit unlikely, that he may face Military Charges as well as Civil Charges from the police following the hearing of the Tribunal.

Again, this is all speculation.

Ah, now I see...

Any date set for the trail?

[Iaitoo]

I'm unaware of whether this arrest took place in Borealis or not, since I'm currently writing from the Hefschinger Star Cluster! However, if the arrest took place in Borealis, Omni-AF would have no trouble whatsoever placing Retoolkit under arrest, as the city is still under martial law. The arrest would still have had to be performed by Military Police, unless specifically directed otherwise. I suggest you look into this area, if you feel the arrest was unjust.

Arrest was made in Borealis.

[trousers]

Ah, now I see...

Any date set for the trail?

I do not. I'll forward your request on to a member of the Police Force.

[Iaitoo]

Thank you, I would like to be there.
Assuming this is going to be an open court!

[Towerblock]

I never said it was right.

If your justice system has no morale roots, then what sorta image are you projecting here? Law and justice need to go hand in hand, and in so doing.. needs to be tempered by wisdom, patience, and the willingness to accept the responsibility of reforming the criminal in a humane way.

If a Law is not just, and serves does not serve benevolent means... then it should never be a law.

There is NO benevolence in scrambling someone's brain, much less with the idea that you may get it right. It should be stated that if you may get it right, then there is a possibility that you may get it wrong.

I am not defending the man's innocence, but i would defend the man's right to a fair and even handed justice.

[Xenotric]

If your justice system has no morale roots, then what sorta image are you projecting here?

My justice system?

I sure hope not, else I've been fighting the wrong side...

[Towerblock]

I'd like to know what you're basing your opinion of reform on.

This has about a snowball's chance in hell of working, but sure.. ill bite.

Simply stated, you take away the accused freedom of choice, from every step of the reformation. Based upon accounts and witness survivor testimony, Omni-tek reformation clearly has no issues targetting individuals arbitrarily for reformation. There is a measure of due process involved, but none of it involves the will of the accused to accept the levy of the reformation firsthand. The subject is tried and summarily reformed, because the process itself is a response to "unhealthy influence" and therefor is considered a compromised individual. Let's not even discuss some of the most worst examples of omni reform people, that i've met.

If I could crack the Omni-tek law system here, the first thing your lords and masters would say that its obviously flawed and that the words of a clanner are just as obviously "compromised". If you had one iota of agreement with me on any controversial matter that could potentially embarass the company... is just one step closer to reformation for the reader. Whether a witness reports you, or you simply agree with me, but kept it to yourself.. according to the system in place, you are compromised. FEAR OF REFORM keeps you from agreeing with me. Therefor, we can intellectually conclude that the debate itself over proof of what is legal and just and preferrable, will result in nothing more than pointing out the obvious gaping differences between Omni-tek and ourselves.

To summarize, the convenience of the system covers its irresponsibility in a cloud of its own paranoia, and its equally sauced in hypocrisy.

Is this benevolence, I ask? Surely not on a common sense level, much less addled in legalese that can and will only make sense to an omni-tek citizen.

[Towerblock]

My justice system?

I sure hope not, else I've been fighting the wrong side...

Then why bother pointing this out in your previous message? The fact that any one person that can "do far worse" is an idle statement. Anyone and anything that is relevant to a problematic situation has the mathematical possibility of making anything worse.

[Xenotric]

Hey I just said it isn't as bad as people make it out to be. I was just stating that we should be glad that reformation is all there doing considering all the other options omni-tek could use.

[Towerblock]

Hey I just said it isn't as bad as people make it out to be. I was just stating that we should be glad that reformation is all there doing considering all the other options omni-tek could use.

Glad? You think I should be glad? I should be glad for a system that has zero conscience for the mental stripping of a person's value system and naked opinions, when they could do far worse?

What you mean like, the permenant killing of a reform subject? I'm a little hazy why I should be glad of one inhuman atrocity over another.

To me, when you fundamentally destroy a person's individuality for the sake of the corporation's insecurity.. you have most indeed killed them. I see no difference here, the end result is still the same. Whether they pass, fail, or come out a vegetable, the result is still the same.

[Iaitoo]

Hey I just said it isn't as bad as people make it out to be. I was just stating that we should be glad that reformation is all there doing considering all the other options omni-tek could use.

I'm surprised that omni is allowed to use these methods as they clearly are agains all human rights. ICC should act upon this!