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    A few endgame MA questions.

    Yep, finally settling myself @ endgame, and creating a setup...
    So here i n33d ur help. Dun wanna make a mistake of spendin my ip, forgetting about sth that has higher req's and not being able to use it.
    Keep in mind that im gonna do a strictly pvp ma.
    A list of things ill need(o - optional):

    weapons:
    -ql 181 sapp
    -ql 300~ Bow of Premonition (coon ganking?)
    -ql 181 pow(o)
    -ql 300 Bow of the Triple Nimbus (o, pvm ranged? )
    -ql 300 Boosted Bow of Belith (o)
    -Bigburger / Freedom Arms Super Duper 90A (vs eng special blockers, tho im gonna have to research this more)
    -ShenStix
    -BoB
    -(would insert Tara Poker here for swapping to BoB, but since tara is owned by ommers atm :/ )

    specials
    -300ish uwos (ye, i wonder if its possible to get it...gonna spend days @ 250 mishes with my crat ;D)
    -ToO
    -Ice of Albtraum
    -May Fly Throwing Grenade ()
    -Enigma/Delirium/Sappo/Inner balance
    -FoL (for some special cases)

    medical:
    -free movements
    -battle prepared shjatt
    -burst of speed stim
    -crat coffie
    -ql 250 Ancient Spirit Purge
    -JJ's Berry
    -Advanced Restoration Kit

    other:
    -Frozen Yuttos Remedy - Icy Scales
    -Frozen Yuttos Remedy - Tonic
    Gonna add some stuff when i get back home from work.

    Thank you in advance for ur help
    Last edited by Koizumi; Nov 8th, 2007 at 12:17:55.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quitter123 View Post
    How about this new nano for enfs, it takes random amount of nanoskills and nano to cast, when landed on random opponent it debuffs random weaponskill by random amount for an unspecified length of time.

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    Microphone. Some sort of real sneak attack weap too maybe ( SoFC, flabber ).

    No use for BoB or sticks in PvP :P and do you really want to spend all the bow for a 300 belith? 2001 bow is a hell of a lot. ql300 premonition looks interesting, but it'll lock AS for quite a while.

    Anyone use a Pow at all? AS recharge was down to something like 17s last time I tested it, which is plenty for my uncoordinated fumbling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    Microphone. Some sort of real sneak attack weap too maybe ( SoFC, flabber ).
    No use for BoB or sticks in PvP :P and do you really want to spend all the bow for a 300 belith? 2001 bow is a hell of a lot. ql300 premonition looks interesting, but it'll lock AS for quite a while.
    Anyone use a Pow at all? AS recharge was down to something like 17s last time I tested it, which is plenty for my uncoordinated fumbling.
    SA = sofc (which i already included in my setup, thats a must have, only need all the unusual&high_req's stuff reminder)
    BoB's aint gonna b used for pvp, rather for times when i decide to k33l some mobz...or maybe when im gonna fight some gimp enf to strike a critproc on him for future battles ;P
    As for 300ish belith, its possible to get it on with ranger and 150ish wrangle and 1650 bow (tho thats mostly for pvm/fun stuff)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quitter123 View Post
    How about this new nano for enfs, it takes random amount of nanoskills and nano to cast, when landed on random opponent it debuffs random weaponskill by random amount for an unspecified length of time.

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    Talking

    i have never seen MA atacks higher than 275...
    271 UWOS i`m using is from merc camp
    yeah i`m using Pow in pvp through i`m far from praising it. Quite nice for accidental pvm AS .
    oh Koizumi, you will be very tight on ip if you plan to use all this stuff...thats why i dumped SoFC and use V-five breathing space instead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wagabunda View Post
    i have never seen MA atacks higher than 275...
    271 UWOS i`m using is from merc camp
    yeah i`m using Pow in pvp through i`m far from praising it. Quite nice for accidental pvm AS .
    oh Koizumi, you will be very tight on ip if you plan to use all this stuff...thats why i dumped SoFC and use V-five breathing space instead
    I was told the higher 1s can drop from ma-type mobs from either merc camp or from 250ish mishz from same mobs type
    Infact, ill b using ALOT more than what i got here, but dont worry, i got the ip distribution already made....the only thing is im not gonna max cl, and gonna have to try int symbs w/ bodc and w/o bracer...
    btw:
    ANY1 KNOWS ANY LATEST GUIDES FOR MA's FOR INT SYMBS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quitter123 View Post
    How about this new nano for enfs, it takes random amount of nanoskills and nano to cast, when landed on random opponent it debuffs random weaponskill by random amount for an unspecified length of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koizumi View Post
    ANY1 KNOWS ANY LATEST GUIDES FOR MA's FOR INT SYMBS?
    http://auno.org/ao/equip.php?saveid=86512
    A bit unfinished and w/o burden, kinda crazy setup items-wise.
    If you have burden and bracer it's piece of cake

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    Quote Originally Posted by deniska View Post
    http://auno.org/ao/equip.php?saveid=86512
    A bit unfinished and w/o burden, kinda crazy setup items-wise.
    If you have burden and bracer it's piece of cake
    Actually, im having trouble getting Int Brain Supp...
    Lacking 73 treatment, but thats w/o maxin treat(intended).
    Most prolly ill have to switch from Health Attunement to Medical one...gonna have 2 wait a bit for research to b done i spose.
    As for bracer, i dont think ill be using the ancient one, 1801 cl would take alotta ip (maxed cl)...
    Last edited by Koizumi; Nov 8th, 2007 at 16:10:17.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quitter123 View Post
    How about this new nano for enfs, it takes random amount of nanoskills and nano to cast, when landed on random opponent it debuffs random weaponskill by random amount for an unspecified length of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wagabunda View Post
    i have never seen MA atacks higher than 275...
    271 UWOS i`m using is from merc camp
    yeah i`m using Pow in pvp through i`m far from praising it. Quite nice for accidental pvm AS .
    oh Koizumi, you will be very tight on ip if you plan to use all this stuff...thats why i dumped SoFC and use V-five breathing space instead
    haven't logged my ma in months, iirc i have a ql 291 UWoS which i got from sczvit. Think you can get them from (most likely) ma mobs.

    As for bow, i would defenetly use superior sapp. bow AS recharge is 11 sec. and swapping is easy.
    Hakkys

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    Quote Originally Posted by HakKu View Post
    haven't logged my ma in months, iirc i have a ql 291 UWoS which i got from sczvit. Think you can get them from (most likely) ma mobs.

    As for bow, i would defenetly use superior sapp. bow AS recharge is 11 sec. and swapping is easy.
    Yes, Sapp is my pvp choice (btw any1 knows how much as needed to cap?)...
    As for uwos...wanna sell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quitter123 View Post
    How about this new nano for enfs, it takes random amount of nanoskills and nano to cast, when landed on random opponent it debuffs random weaponskill by random amount for an unspecified length of time.

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    naw

    Not much is needed really again not sure, but it was like 1400-1600ish.
    Hakkys

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    Quote Originally Posted by HakKu View Post
    naw

    Not much is needed really again not sure, but it was like 1400-1600ish.
    Hmmm...so it would b possible to >almost< cap as on sapp even w/o Targeting Scope!? (using setup i made 1840 or so AS)...
    Damnit if so, im gonna consider grabbing 6 more crit from ai scope just for like 3 seconds of as and ~1 as multiplier , or maybe sprite to b able to go 1/1....hmm....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quitter123 View Post
    How about this new nano for enfs, it takes random amount of nanoskills and nano to cast, when landed on random opponent it debuffs random weaponskill by random amount for an unspecified length of time.

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    YEA! Took me whole day to make a setup w/o alb bracer and w/o maxed treatment(max-74) to put int supp brain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quitter123 View Post
    How about this new nano for enfs, it takes random amount of nanoskills and nano to cast, when landed on random opponent it debuffs random weaponskill by random amount for an unspecified length of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koizumi View Post
    Actually, im having trouble getting Int Brain Supp...
    Lacking 73 treatment, but thats w/o maxin treat(intended).
    Most prolly ill have to switch from Health Attunement to Medical one...gonna have 2 wait a bit for research to b done i spose.
    As for bracer, i dont think ill be using the ancient one, 1801 cl would take alotta ip (maxed cl)...
    nope, it doesn't take maxed CL.. actually very far from it There are tons of items buffing CL, you just need to get them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dododo2 View Post
    nope, it doesn't take maxed CL.. actually very far from it There are tons of items buffing CL, you just need to get them.
    hmm...on second thought, i didnt rly even try to do it, just resigned after i saw 1800...will try it now, thx for giving me the thought.
    EDIT:
    Heh, now i know why i didnt c this as possible...i forgot smuggled combat board does not have CL in it ;/
    It actually took <5 mins to get over 600 cl.
    Well...i might just get the bracer instead of farmin beast in this case.
    Thx Dodo ^^
    Edit2: Sweet...created a decent easy-to-get setup to equip the bracer w/o maxing CL
    Last edited by Koizumi; Nov 9th, 2007 at 14:04:35.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quitter123 View Post
    How about this new nano for enfs, it takes random amount of nanoskills and nano to cast, when landed on random opponent it debuffs random weaponskill by random amount for an unspecified length of time.

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    btw dust brigade gloves add 50 CL.
    Geminis band adds 20 more CL
    If you have a spirit shroud,use the one with the tutoring mod(control?) and you can use a ql 100ish computer literacy device(maybe even higher) easy.
    Then there is that CL ring from uh HI(soft ring with fluff?)
    Thats some 100+ CL easy.
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    Ye i did some numbers and with some decent not-hard-to-get (w/o shroud & expensive/rare pand stuff, heck, even w/o db gloves) i managed to get 1805 CL with base 1016 cl only...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quitter123 View Post
    How about this new nano for enfs, it takes random amount of nanoskills and nano to cast, when landed on random opponent it debuffs random weaponskill by random amount for an unspecified length of time.

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    I'm gonna toss in my 2 creds...

    Stick with only the sup saph bow, all the others kinda suck.

    do not use shen sticks or bobs; these are primarily for high AC mobs, not players.

    QL300 MA items are not obtainable afaik the highest you could do is roll a QL250 mish and open chests with a fixer and loot a QL275 nodrop item on your MA.

    Can't use FoL and Sappo on the same skill lock, some profs will evade your FoL like a mofo also...

    You don't seem to have Spear of Forbidden Ceramonies; the ability to instantly hotswap one on for Fast Attack is a great thing.

    You might also want to bring Sharp Objects to 1800 so you can use Tears, that's more damage in your favor, pretty fast cycle also:

    MA's can do an alpha such as
    AS,fast attack,brawl,tear,sappo (and maybe a dimach)



    when you've have everything and I do mean everything you can possibly have for endgame, strip and do a full IP reset.
    first, focus on getting your QL300 symbs in while spending as little IP as possible
    then check each nano you are to use and raise your nano skills to that amount and no more; this is ofc after you self your 1hr composites.
    if you're feeling bold, you can skip MC altogether and miss out on AC buffs and such.
    lastly, toss the rest to whatever else you need it to be, but do not max bow, only bring it up to MBS (after casting your best bow nano)

    remember to really stretch you IP distribution as much as possible so you can have an entire onslaught of attacks and abilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyphos View Post
    I'm gonna toss in my 2 creds...

    Stick with only the sup saph bow, all the others kinda suck.

    do not use shen sticks or bobs; these are primarily for high AC mobs, not players.

    QL300 MA items are not obtainable afaik the highest you could do is roll a QL250 mish and open chests with a fixer and loot a QL275 nodrop item on your MA.
    Can't use FoL and Sappo on the same skill lock, some profs will evade your FoL like a mofo also...
    You don't seem to have Spear of Forbidden Ceramonies; the ability to instantly hotswap one on for Fast Attack is a great thing.
    You might also want to bring Sharp Objects to 1800 so you can use Tears, that's more damage in your favor, pretty fast cycle also:
    MA's can do an alpha such as
    AS,fast attack,brawl,tear,sappo (and maybe a dimach)
    Maybe i didnt clearly state my intentions.
    Items that are usable @ endgame pvp ma, but items not only directed towards pvp, as in ill b using bob+shen for days when i feel like k33lin some mobz...
    next..ofcourse sapp is my intention for pvp...i might even skip my vision enhancer , ill b only 100 as skill b3low cap, and evades/ar from hud3 AND nearly 1/1 would rly help alot...
    As for sofc, i didnt mention it bcoz thats a must have, a thing every decent pvp ma has
    As for SO i DID mention ToO didnt i?
    As for mc/mm, i didnt run numbers yet, but i think it MIGHT b possible to self em with very little ip spent to em (and w/o swapping any armor that requires ate3).
    Gonna verify that later tho.
    As for ql 300 ma attacks...im pretty sure they DO exist...as i do know smbdy having a 291 uwos

    Quote Originally Posted by Xyphos View Post
    when you've have everything and I do mean everything you can possibly have for endgame, strip and do a full IP reset.
    first, focus on getting your QL300 symbs in while spending as little IP as possible
    then check each nano you are to use and raise your nano skills to that amount and no more; this is ofc after you self your 1hr composites.
    lastly, toss the rest to whatever else you need it to be, but do not max bow, only bring it up to MBS (after casting your best bow nano)

    remember to really stretch you IP distribution as much as possible so you can have an entire onslaught of attacks and abilities.
    Thats exactly my intention...i got a starter setup to put symbs w/o maxing treatment, BUT i think i will get bow as high as possible...IF fixers get more crits from their 1hander by maxing shotgun ((c)Dark1947) than why wouldnt we have even more reliable as from maxing bow?
    In the end i hope ill end up with supercheap ip setup...and maybe if i feel like it, just maybe, ill post here a step-by-step conf
    Quote Originally Posted by Xyphos View Post
    MA's can do an alpha such as
    AS,fast attack,brawl,tear,sappo (and maybe a dimach)
    As+Ice of Alb/SA+fa/brawl/ToO/sappo~
    Or rather sumtin like this.
    Concealment is the main key to the victory in here tho as we dun have roots/snares and n33d to surprise our enemy...
    Last edited by Koizumi; Nov 11th, 2007 at 00:39:04.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quitter123 View Post
    How about this new nano for enfs, it takes random amount of nanoskills and nano to cast, when landed on random opponent it debuffs random weaponskill by random amount for an unspecified length of time.

  19. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Koizumi View Post
    Actually, im having trouble getting Int Brain Supp...
    http://auno.org/ao/equip.php?saveid=86310

  20. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by deniska View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Koizumi View Post
    YEA! Took me whole day to make a setup w/o alb bracer and w/o maxed treatment(max-74) to put int supp brain

    By the time we get medical 3...
    And isnt that setup with maxed treatment?
    Plus, i got totally no idea where to get v-5's :/
    Last edited by Koizumi; Nov 11th, 2007 at 09:44:58.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quitter123 View Post
    How about this new nano for enfs, it takes random amount of nanoskills and nano to cast, when landed on random opponent it debuffs random weaponskill by random amount for an unspecified length of time.

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