Review: Melle professions

[Spart]

Okay then tell the devs their mechanics are flawed because I kept getting hit for over 6k.

my soldier with ams4, gets hit for about 3k full autos. I've hit soldiers who had tms x on them(because of the 136 dmg i would get hit back with) for roughly 3.3k full autos.

[Darkkblood]

You dont really know the mechanics do you? you stated that your keeper gets hit for 40% through 72% reflect. The MAX possible dmg a fullauto can do through 72% reflect is 4200. The max possible aimedshot dmg would be 13000*0.28 = 3640.

Of course, the AS could still potentially eat your cocoon.




Good, then stick with HM

I'm sure someone else knows hows this works a little better than me but i'll try and tell you why the dmg goes over 4200 now. 15k is the pvm dmg cap if i remember right FA can do something like 50k(not sure exactly on this number) dmg. the amount of reflect dmg is calculated before the PvM cap is calculated. so 50000*.28= 14000/2=7500. Same goes for AS but i am not sure of what the dmg is on that one. This is why solds and anyone else with reflects can get capped through their reflects aka the reflect nerf.

[Kinkstaah]

Did you read my post at all ? You could have done it while quoting atleast. Please it's pretty short give it a go.

Here I'll explain it to you, I don't get hit for 4200, I get hit for ALOT MORE THEN THAT, WITH ALOT OF REFLECT.

Nope. Simply isnt happening.

I'm sure someone else knows hows this works a little better than me but i'll try and tell you why the dmg goes over 4200 now. 15k is the pvm dmg cap if i remember right FA can do something like 50k(not sure exactly on this number) dmg. the amount of reflect dmg is calculated before the PvM cap is calculated. so 50000*.28= 14000/2=7500. Same goes for AS but i am not sure of what the dmg is on that one. This is why solds and anyone else with reflects can get capped through their reflects aka the reflect nerf.

Again nope, simply isnt happening. The true raw cap is 13/15K then reduced by reflects - And that's how it works, period. Anyone claming anything different isnt giving real numbers right now or doesnt understand the mechanics behind it.

You could do a 40% hit through AMS if you're lucky, but only vs low HP. Vs 75% reflect you will NEVER do a FA that is more than 3750 damage, or an AS that is more than 3250.

In addition to that, when you use RRFE as an example, people will be hit capped through RRFE as the caps through RRFE are 9100 for AS, and 10500 for FA. Obviously in these cases such damage is enough to force a 40% hit on the vast majority of players, should a player actually get lucky enough to do FA's and AS's that high.

[Darkkblood]

humm maybe your right I have no real reflect experience in pvp other than reflect bracers and rrfe I was going by what i read a month or two ago which was probably false info.

[Questra]

Okay then tell the devs their mechanics are flawed because I kept getting hit for over 6k.

or you're just a liar

[lusthorne]

Nope. Simply isnt happening.



Again nope, simply isnt happening. The true raw cap is 13/15K then reduced by reflects - And that's how it works, period. Anyone claming anything different isnt giving real numbers right now or doesnt understand the mechanics behind it.

You could do a 40% hit through AMS if you're lucky, but only vs low HP. Vs 75% reflect you will NEVER do a FA that is more than 3750 damage, or an AS that is more than 3250.

In addition to that, when you use RRFE as an example, people will be hit capped through RRFE as the caps through RRFE are 9100 for AS, and 10500 for FA. Obviously in these cases such damage is enough to force a 40% hit on the vast majority of players, should a player actually get lucky enough to do FA's and AS's that high.

I'll bet you that if we were to test your theory in the arena, with me getting rrfe, using 6% barrier nano, 4% reflect proc, and 32% reflect perk (that's 72% total reflect for those of you who can't add), you could still 40% cap me (which is about 6700 dmg) through it all.

[Kinkstaah]

I'll bet you that if we were to test your theory in the arena, with me getting rrfe, using 6% barrier nano, 4% reflect proc, and 32% reflect perk (that's 72% total reflect for those of you who can't add), you could still 40% cap me (which is about 6700 dmg) through it all.

I'm willing to bet billions of credits against it, actually. If for some insano reason it doesnt happen the way I predict it then congratulations, you found a bug - NOT something that is working properly

[Kyai]

I'll bet you that if we were to test your theory in the arena, with me getting rrfe, using 6% barrier nano, 4% reflect proc, and 32% reflect perk (that's 72% total reflect for those of you who can't add), you could still 40% cap me (which is about 6700 dmg) through it all.

13000*0.28=3640

3640/0.4=9100

You only have 9100 HP?

[Mazdoc]

She said her 40% cap was 6700, that would be about 17k hp.

The claim is that the mechanics doesn't work that way. Ask any soldier, and you'll see they in fact do.

[Xaun]

With 16k HP I get hit alot for around 7k from specials in the BS.. this is with my aura /perk and rrfe running..

[Pafpuf]

Seems to me Questra that every keeper here is lying

[Mazdoc]

Unless you're counting absorbs you're gonna have to show some real numbers.

PS. Its completely impossible to be hit for 7k by a special when you have 16k hp.

PPS. FA's can get to 7k if you have 54% ish reflect.

[Kyai]

Unless you're counting absorbs you're gonna have to show some real numbers.

PS. Its completely impossible to be hit for 7k by a special when you have 16k hp.

PPS. FA's can get to 7k if you have 54% ish reflect.

absorbs are counted after reflects, so it won't make any difference. If you have 72% reflect then the maximum AS you can take is 3640 and the maximum FA is 4200. the presence or absence of absorbs will make no difference if you have that much reflect.

In a nutshell, people claiming that they are taking capped damage through 70%+ reflect, whilst having 13K+ HP, are mistaken

[Mazdoc]

Oh you're right of course, my bad.




Edit: Errrr, i might take that back. I've seen ASes over 13k through coon, or so i believe anyway. Dont think damage absorbed counts towards the special caps.

Edit2:

New record, 19760 dmg AS on test on me with 27K HP. Didn't even cap

[Noky69]

This is 4 screen shots of my damage log when using devotional armor/RRFE/Bio cocoon vs a 220 soldier with modified shark and a fairly decent symbiant setup
You can draw your own conclusions. He did do a few 7191 caps with RRFE. which is the same cap if i dont have RRFE. i did not see anything over 3.5/4k ish with devotional armor on. His highest full absorb was 8k. he did have a 3.3kabsorb/5.6k hit at the end of one cocoon. like i said. draw your own conclusions, my keeper isnt the best but you take what u can.


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[Mazdoc]

Thanks noky, confirms what i believed

[Kyai]

That 19K AS was off test during a build where absorbs were being calculated before special caps.

[Mazdoc]

Ah, i see. Didnt know they changed it.

[NoGoal]

You should try with an agent. FA mechanics suck for testing. Anyway, that absorb/reflect change was stupid imho. It just made overpowered specials even stronger.

[Spart]

i did not see anything over 3.5/4k ish with devotional armor on.

It helps against people who say they are getting 6k hits through rrfe/devotional armor and proc/nano.