balance of classes

[sillytheclown]

Ok the balance for the whole game- PvP is a small part and included in the thougth process

overbalanced---

Agent
Meta

about right still to powerfull in all

Traders

balanced

Doc
Fixer
Ma
Engy
Crat
enforcer

Needs help

NT
Soldier
Advents


With this i have reasons behind each

Agent. Aimed shot damage at 10k ( getting it at level 100 )
Every buff in the game. ( using ql 200 items at level 80)
lots more.

MP. Nano shutdown
only int/psy bonus-- and self only -- Odins eye
casting all nanos by level 125.
more then i can say


next batch

Trader. Wrangles and ransacks.
loss of HP stacking made them less uber

The balanced lot, that need to catch to the top of the food chain.

Doc. Well Awsome in PvP with healing. if you do it right.
Agro to high on team missions.
untill level 125 it is hard to do things
treatment buff and HP buff
Epsolon purge is nerfed

Fixer. Great new Fixer grid
Better drop of GA
Nice Hots stackable
Still has Deep blue Nano Skills

MA. Healing is slow but helps
Claws are great adition
good nanos to buff self-
all around wanted in groups as back up healing and good damage.
Needs faster or a new line of heals ( recharge faster )

Engy. great early on.
Pets are good.
nice nanos both self and other.
becoming a bot rules.
great tradeskills.
Patching sucks == all pet classes ===

Crat. mez. root. control, exp, pet. all sweet nanos
the hardest thing about crats is finding how you want to play it
crat suit is good,
Psyche checks need to go

Enforcer. Best buffing of stats for normal armor-- Str/stam
Essance is stackable with both doc Hp buffs
Essence is stackable with IC
using 2 pillows to get armor on
hard to use nanos


THe help Funcom forgot us

NT. Nulity 1 and 2 --- bane and bonus you have it great if not your dead -- drop rate stinks
mezzes are few and far between
all the self buffs seem for other classes-- effrems/absorb/HE/Cost reduction.. the later is the best
No int/psy Buffs.
Int/psy are in the same inplant spots
lack of the best DD nuke. that is resonable to cast.


Soldier..good weapon skills
Mk shield
the added 2nd gun helps but is still not enough
Boring class


Advent. Cool at 150+
The lick wounds is cool
Good buffs for 1 HE
Pistols still need help
Healing is ok, could be better
Multi weild buffs stink if you want pistols used
Pistol damage is a joke.



the point here is to not nerf any class. It is to make them all semi equal. there has to be classes better then the others.

Also passing out things other classes have is a bad fix. now you can't take it away, but there is things to learn for the future

Some fixes i can think of

Give Advents Multi weild and multi range self buffs that are 3x better then the line in place. use the existing line as buffing others

Docs. Fix EP

NT lots of help


Every class can use some help, just some need it alot more then others. It is time as a community we come to that relization, that someone else might need it more then we..

[______________Promoo]

........ and just how is the Agent overbalanced?

[sillytheclown]

sorry i wasn't done posting i hit send on accident/ second time my cat did

[Kzak]

Well, the Engineer class is good for soloing from early to medium levels, yes.

But for tons of reasons why the Engineers sorely need fixing, look up the Engineer forum. There are -way- too many than I can easily list here.

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Meoww No Flufy I have told you a million times you cant use my computer to look at the FurFun website .....

Agent. Aimed shot damage at 10k ( getting it at level 100 )

It is true that Agents can get a 10K AS (and some like to boast about it), however the below is a recent test by an Agent (Morphex) for feedback via "The Professionals" group:

Level 182
Quality level 182 mission

7% crit
1088 ATK rating
902 AS
1413 Concealment

Aimed Shots:
1806, 3612, 1806, 7224, 7302, 1806, 7302, 1806, 1806, 5418, 1806, 1806, 2673, 1337, 1806

Average damage: 3288

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Level 182
Quality level 182 mission

7% crit
1088 ATK rating
1502 AS
1413 Concealment

Aimed Shots:
10k, 9030, 10k, 10k, 2602, 10k, 7302, 3612, 10k, 5418, 10k, 7302, 7302, 7302, 10k

Average damage: 7991

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Level 182
Quality level 182 mission

7% crit
1088 ATK rating
1302 AS
1413 Concealment

Aimed Shots:
3612, 7302, 10k, 7302, 3612, 7302, 7302, 7224, 7224, 3612, 3612, 7302, 7302, 3612, 3612

Average damage: 5755

While the second test with high AS skill did produce many 10k AS a significant skill increase was required (plus all tests are with 7% crit mod multiplier)

The last one is what most other professions using QL 200 ELLTS and Ithaca with 3 AS implants would have at least in AS skill.

My point here is that every profession (at least those willing to sped creds/IP can get close or match the Agent output for AS ... so this can not be considered an "Agent only" skill that requires balancing.


Every buff in the game. ( using ql 200 items at level 80)

Many of the original isues with Agents using other profs (notably MP pets) before the "native" profession has been resolved by FC by either a) making them not avaliable to the Agent (as with higher level MP pets) or b) placing a level requirment on the new nanos.
Agent can only cast nano's of another profession while in either:

False Profession:
Assume Profession:
Mimic Profession:

The only differences between these is the debuffs on skills and time the profession runs for, the areas effected are:

Nano Cost Modifer
Nano Init Debuff
Nano Range Debuff
Casting Interrupt Debuff
HUGE debuff to nano skills (-25, -80, and -140)

This means that False Profession is mainly used for buffing yourself and others. Because of the BIG hit to init, it's not feasible to cast anything during combat while in false prof. It has a low hit to nanoskills, which means you can cast all those good buffs on your team mates before going into the mission.

Mimic profession has a big hit to nanoskills (it's big no matter what level you are), and therefore is not recommended for buffing purposes. But because of the (relatively) low hit to init, it is more useful for combat casting. Eg. mezzing, TMS, team-heals, etc.

Assume prof is supposed to be some sort of middle ground. It has very little use though, because it has both quite a large hit to init and to skills. I only ever use it, for example, if I want to grid a team out of a mission. Mimic Fixer isnt on my list of to-get nanos, but with assume, I can grid the team out quite a bit faster than with FP. That's the only worthwhile use I have found for assume, and to be honest, if I didn't have it, I could do just as good a job with FP. In other words, assume is useless as it is today.

All of them rely in the Agent plowing additional IP into skills in order to try and counterbalance the debuffs / mods, we do not get them at zero cost and are stuck in that profession until the nano wears off (so dont ask an agent for a Fixer Speed buff and them immediatly after anyother prof buff as we can not do both close together).

* This information has been gleamed from various posts (I believe in reusing information & cant be bothered to type it out again).

Credit for the original info to: Morphex (AS test) and Tzetze for the FP text.


Best of luck with the cat ...

Pro

[sillytheclown]

about the agent 10 aimed shot, i have been around for a while. i know that the last time that agents were doing this they got a Funcom love patch nerfing AS..

I don't think the 10k crit is a bad thing. I just think it is the bar currently.

Just like the bar for MPs is set at casting all nanos self buffed at 125 ish-- might be off a few levels

In no way am i saying Agents, traders. MPs don't need some fixes. or later patches. But at this time, the game in all aspects has it better for them from 1-200

[______________Promoo]

Indeed 10K is the "bar" as far as AS goes ( I may be wrong but I think this is the cap for AS damage).

I do agree with you that Agents have recieved some love from FC in order to improve our situation (alongside several punishment sessions with the nerf bat) and I respect the fact that other classes may need good luuuuving from FC (and I bet it costs more than $10) before either my profession or other professions.

I think the key (as you point out) is not to nurf those professions that have either reached a reasonable level of FC luving or are close to it, but to improve those professions that have been taken wruflyfrombehind and left alone like an unwanted toy (Engi's spring to mind at higher levels).

Please remember that not all professions are ment to be uber at all skill/damage/nanos (although Agents are designed to be able to use some of the more useful profs nanos, but then again we were also designed to be *the* sniper (AS) profession) otherwise you would just have one profession/class.

[sillytheclown]

Who wants the classes to be the same. That is what i am against. I love my 119 Doc, but did Docs need a Grid line? What would have been cooler and better for a doc, is for the doc to be able to do a warp to a team member-- This would start at 2 minutes- next one 1 min - next one 30 seconds, and the last one 10 seconds. this would only let the doc goto the pacient. this would be a nano to make the doc a better heal profession.

I think as a whole the gamers in AO are sick of seeing every class, mezz, root, calm, forget on mobs. to many abilities have been given to classes that we can't figure out why they have them.

also weapons are unbalanced currently. The using the general nano to break roots is a common problem.

Fucom spent alot of time so Tank armor would look the right color, but not on making it so that crat AoE roots worked.

just examples

SS

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The last para was a general comment of my opinion, not directed at yourself (I did start the para with "Readers ..." but decided that I was being far to presumptuous about anyone actually reading the post ).

[sillytheclown]

I think me and you are the only ones reading this line anymore :P.

I am just triing to point out that some classes just plain need so much work, 2 patches would be needed.


i was hoping that other classes would post and add stuff to this. I took alot from what of the forums i read..

every class still has issues that need to be addressed, as well as gameplay issues that funcom needs to look at.

Some things that effect every class, is the HP and Nanos being wrong in team windows. not sure if they can fix.

Pistols don't equal anything. they have a super high multi weild and no bonus for using them.

Shotguns need some more that are less crit dependant

ect

[____________Jeremiah]

My list would go like

To powerful

Agent
MA

Powerful

Enforcer
MP
Trader

About Right

Adven
Crat
Fixer
Soldier (though I can understand why they want some lovin)

Needs help

NT
Doc

Nerfed to hell and back

Engie

[Darkbane]

Powerful:

MA
Agent (weak at lower levels, but comes into its own later on)
MP (though 'caps' out early)
Trader
Enforcer (just give us our edge buffs )
Crat

Decent:

Advent
Fixer
Soldier (again, needs a few tweaks)
Doctor (just makes it into this category, probably needs a bit of help)

Need Help:

NT (just fails to make decent in no more)
Engie

I'm sure everyone else would come up with a different list.