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Thread: Symb twinking for the 220 nanomage engi - a personal perspective

  1. #21
    I have to agree with dk here. the setup I was looking at was using buffing guns and armor for some 300 symbs but there was steping and armor needed. and nope I dont remember wtf I was going to do.
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  2. #22
    I managed to get 270 brain in w/o burden. I had to twink a lot and also had all the perks up... But it is doable. For few symbs it's necessary though... Like the 270chest.
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  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Divineking View Post
    Burden is overrated seriously, I dont have it and as a Solitus i've managed to pop in 270 in the slots its possible to have 270 in
    Quote Originally Posted by Technogen View Post
    I have to agree with dk here. the setup I was looking at was using buffing guns and armor for some 300 symbs but there was steping and armor needed. and nope I dont remember wtf I was going to do.
    Quote Originally Posted by octopuss View Post
    I managed to get 270 brain in w/o burden. I had to twink a lot and also had all the perks up... But it is doable. For few symbs it's necessary though... Like the 270chest.
    You are all correct. I don't need burden for 270 brain, nor do I need it for some 300 symbs.
    I do need it for 280 chest and some other 300s.
    RK1:220/30 Alicia "Muhandes" Jolt General of Destiny. My setup/A quick screenshot
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    "Guides": 210 symbs before 170, 220 symbs before 180, NM Engi Twinking 205, 210, 215, 220.
    WTB ql150 weapons, Grand Armbands, Eye of the Evening Star.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by octopuss View Post
    I managed to get 270 brain in w/o burden. I had to twink a lot and also had all the perks up... But it is doable. For few symbs it's necessary though... Like the 270chest.
    ya dude, I remember you and me twinking like bitches back in the day
    man I still love your ass <3
    At my current spot, Im gonna reset like hell do maximize my symbs (AGAIN!!11 arrr) It will be sad to take off bio shielding and so on but fun, Ill try for 270 brain too
    Proud klingon apprentice of Octopuss. <3

  5. #25
    For the next step I did for symbs/imps at once.

    First I I equiped the 270 chest, requiring 1149 int/psy/sta and 1870 treat. I used this setup. 8 more perks were needed (2 Nanobreed Secondary Genome, 2 First Aid, 2 Freak Strength, 2 Genius), to a total of 21.
    I had on me Composite Attribute, Ess, IC, NS, SFA, treat expertise and a TT. In addition my org benefits were ql300 Large HQ, a ql250 Heart Pump benefit (+19 sta), and a ql250 Medical Expertise benefit (+33 treat). I also used an Extruder Bar, and of course the Surgery Clinic. The final result was 1149 sta, 1197 int, 1160 psy and 1906 treat.

    Next, I equiped the 280 l-hand, requiring 1191 int/psy/sta and 1942 treat. I used this setup, with the same perks.
    I had on me Composite Attribute, Ess, IC, SFA, treat expertise and a TT. In addition my org benefits were ql300 Large HQ, a ql250 Heart Pup benefit (+19 sta), and a ql250 Medical Expertise benefit (+33 treat). I also used the Surgery Clinic of course. The final result was 1195 sta, 1196 int, 1197 psy and 1944 treat.

    I then equiped the 280 eye, requiring 1191 int/psy/sen and 1942 treat. I used this setup, with the same perks.
    I had on me Composite Attribute, ES, SFA, treat expertise and a TT. In addition my org benefits were ql300 Large HQ and a ql250 Medical Expertise benefit (+33 treat). I also used the Surgery Clinic of course. The final result was 1192 sen, 1202 int, 1207 psy and 1953 treat.

    And the last one for today was a ql300 Burst R-Arm Imp requiring 1095 sen and 2051 treat. I used this setup, with the same perks.
    I had on me only SFA, treat expertise and a TT. In addition my org benefits were ql300 Large HQ and a ql250 Medical Expertise benefit (+33 treat). I also used the Surgery Clinic of course. The final result was 1160 sen and 2053 treat.

    As you can see 270 chest doesn't need burden, and in fact I didn't even use 3 freak strength.
    Last edited by muha; Oct 18th, 2006 at 15:14:25.
    RK1:220/30 Alicia "Muhandes" Jolt General of Destiny. My setup/A quick screenshot
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    "Guides": 210 symbs before 170, 220 symbs before 180, NM Engi Twinking 205, 210, 215, 220.
    WTB ql150 weapons, Grand Armbands, Eye of the Evening Star.

  6. #26
    My next step will be agi buffing, and I'm sure you can guess for which symb.
    I was thinking maybe doing a new ql300 R-Wrist imp, but I don't have a Proj. Dam. Cluster. I'll have to think if a ql300 without the Proj. Dam. is better than a ql256 with it. It boils down to which is better - 8 damage or 16 pistol & 10 burst.
    RK1:220/30 Alicia "Muhandes" Jolt General of Destiny. My setup/A quick screenshot
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    "Guides": 210 symbs before 170, 220 symbs before 180, NM Engi Twinking 205, 210, 215, 220.
    WTB ql150 weapons, Grand Armbands, Eye of the Evening Star.

  7. #27
    At some point i was considering this nice +40 add damage rarm implant from Tara and pure math showed its better DD wise then +131 burst so... (of course in real game its propably worse )

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by IHaveHugeNick View Post
    At some point i was considering this nice +40 add damage rarm implant from Tara and pure math showed its better DD wise then +131 burst so... (of course in real game its propably worse )
    It really depends on what your current burst and burst damage are.
    Just as a guideline, I'll show how the math goes for me, and I hope I don't miss much. I have 1440 burst self and my burst damage is 4700ish.
    So my current burst cycle is 70-1440/25=12.4 seconds. Add 10 burst and my cycle will be 70-1450/25=12 sec. So how much Is that worth? Lets look at 300 seconds. I get 24.2 hits now, compared to 25 hits with 12 seconds. So this is worth 0.8 hit = 0.8x4700=3760 damage. On 300 seconds you usually do 322 hits (200 regular+50 fling+24x3 burst) so it is the equivalent of 3760/322=~11.5 damage. So for me 10 burst equals aprox. 11.5 damage.

    Now here comes the real catch. If I get RC from a soldier, I get 1550 burst, which is exactly what I need to cap. In that case 10 burst is worthless to me. So how do I use that in my math? In most raids I do have a soldier, so I prefer to stick with the + damage.
    Last edited by muha; Oct 18th, 2006 at 16:04:30.
    RK1:220/30 Alicia "Muhandes" Jolt General of Destiny. My setup/A quick screenshot
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    "Guides": 210 symbs before 170, 220 symbs before 180, NM Engi Twinking 205, 210, 215, 220.
    WTB ql150 weapons, Grand Armbands, Eye of the Evening Star.

  9. #29
    I would never gimp myself with +dmg stuff when there's 10000% better stuff I can put in given slot. I'd never give up ~100 def and others from r-arm symb.
    "Many philosophical problems are caused by such things as the simple inability to shut up."
    I am Luciesa - Octowuss - Ssupotco

    still addicted since 2001-07-03 11:55:38

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by octopuss View Post
    I would never gimp myself with +dmg stuff when there's 10000% better stuff I can put in given slot. I'd never give up ~100 def and others from r-arm symb.
    Well, I'm DD, I don't care much for def.
    RK1:220/30 Alicia "Muhandes" Jolt General of Destiny. My setup/A quick screenshot
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    "Guides": 210 symbs before 170, 220 symbs before 180, NM Engi Twinking 205, 210, 215, 220.
    WTB ql150 weapons, Grand Armbands, Eye of the Evening Star.

  11. #31
    Muha as your twinking are you using org contracts?
    The heart pump thingy + medical one?
    Proud klingon apprentice of Octopuss. <3

  12. #32
    Where the heck do you get contracts nowadays?
    "Many philosophical problems are caused by such things as the simple inability to shut up."
    I am Luciesa - Octowuss - Ssupotco

    still addicted since 2001-07-03 11:55:38

  13. #33
    You really dont need add all def. , nano delta etc for making DD/Tradeskill toon.

    I sometimes miss those modifiers when soloing in SL (i can solo raids just fine with 205 puller toon ) , but thats it.

    Muha - i see the problem now - your case is more complicated then mine was

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Divineking View Post
    Muha as your twinking are you using org contracts?
    The heart pump thingy + medical one?
    You can see that for the 270 chest I used "a ql250 Heart Pump benefit (+19 sta), and a ql250 Medical Expertise benefit (+33 treat)" - those are contracts. I write down for every setup what contracts I used.
    RK1:220/30 Alicia "Muhandes" Jolt General of Destiny. My setup/A quick screenshot
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    "Guides": 210 symbs before 170, 220 symbs before 180, NM Engi Twinking 205, 210, 215, 220.
    WTB ql150 weapons, Grand Armbands, Eye of the Evening Star.

  15. #35
    rofl contracts are for losers, i'll get all my **** in without them
    OCTO YOU SUCK. <3
    Proud klingon apprentice of Octopuss. <3

  16. #36
    Oh btw, do you think it's worth it reset for 5th time for 280's? You know me, I simply love hard pointless jobs without any real reward... Currently I have all 270's in game equipped. I want more though. The 280 eye and lhand (what else is there?) are giving me nightmares. Should I grab few Pande items and go for them?
    Thing is, I resetted into first aid and combat knowledge already for swapping ql300 r-arm imp... So might as well reset 2 more perklines... lmao.

    Side question: do you think I am completely sick?
    "Many philosophical problems are caused by such things as the simple inability to shut up."
    I am Luciesa - Octowuss - Ssupotco

    still addicted since 2001-07-03 11:55:38

  17. #37
    uh, no
    RESET GIMPNESS FTW?
    Proud klingon apprentice of Octopuss. <3

  18. #38
    Not sure who you are asking, I'm definitly sicker, as this is my only playable char I'm gimping.
    It would be interesting to see what the top symbs for soli are, I for myself definitly think spending whatever time needed for the best symb setup EVER is worth the time, and I prove it these days The least you could get from it are bragging rights, and we all know these are worth it on their own
    There is also 280 chest btw.
    RK1:220/30 Alicia "Muhandes" Jolt General of Destiny. My setup/A quick screenshot
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    "Guides": 210 symbs before 170, 220 symbs before 180, NM Engi Twinking 205, 210, 215, 220.
    WTB ql150 weapons, Grand Armbands, Eye of the Evening Star.

  19. #39
    It's impossible to do 280 chest, at least for soli or clan. The sta reqs are TOO high.

    Still wondering if I could get 290's in... Who knows. I'd have to get several costy Pande items again... I think, Comfort of Sagi, First creation, Gemini's wrist item... Aim of libra perhaps. Heh.
    "Many philosophical problems are caused by such things as the simple inability to shut up."
    I am Luciesa - Octowuss - Ssupotco

    still addicted since 2001-07-03 11:55:38

  20. #40
    Well, I'm still more than 8 perks away, and one burden short, but I'm going to risk it and disagree. We'll see
    Edit: oh, the 290 thigh is impossible for NM. I think.
    RK1:220/30 Alicia "Muhandes" Jolt General of Destiny. My setup/A quick screenshot
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    "Guides": 210 symbs before 170, 220 symbs before 180, NM Engi Twinking 205, 210, 215, 220.
    WTB ql150 weapons, Grand Armbands, Eye of the Evening Star.

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