Best breed for PvP with new changes in mind?

**wolfmyth** · Nov 10th, 2009, 17:15:02

Just returned to the game and I want to make an Engie for Tl7 PvP. What would you guys recommend with all the new changes they are trying to put inplace? Atrox so you can actaly land perks or has that skill been/will be nerfed?

**Alceona** · Nov 10th, 2009, 21:52:23

Atrox will be the best pvp brid after nerf.

**Memphisraves** · Nov 11th, 2009, 00:04:31

I will agree with the Atrox being the best for PVP, followed by Opifex for "higher" evades.

**Xyphos** · Nov 11th, 2009, 00:09:33

Originally Posted by Alceona

Atrox will be the best pvp brid after nerf.

in the end, MR will hurt you more then you hurt your opponent.
it is to my belief that a nanomage grenade engineer will be good after the nerf.
2 coons, access to demo perks and a shiny new pvp grenade weapon.

$ sudo apt-get install troll-shield

**MajorOutage** · Nov 11th, 2009, 00:57:13

Ofcourse you think that because that's what you are.

How convenient.

**Xyphos** · Nov 11th, 2009, 02:24:30

actually, I'm saying that cuz with the nerf will come the parry fix.
and if you're grenade and able to quickly and dynamically swap your weapons depending on the situation, you just might be able to put on a parry weapon if needed when taking heavy fire while coon'd.
having 2 coons would be all the better.

in most engineer pvp cases, engineer's ability to outlast is what often brings victory.
adaptability is also key to survival.
dual pistol setup post-AS nerf would make such a task more challenging to accomplish.

it's not just what I am, it's what I've learned.

**Technogen** · Nov 11th, 2009, 04:07:02

Soli is the best all around breed, even with the new changes.

**IHaveHugeNick** · Nov 11th, 2009, 07:34:41

Right now : Nanomage, then Solitus, and don't listen to those guys above, none of them ever did any PvP apart from Neme

I'd have to wait to see what are they going to do with Mongo Rage before i recommend Atrox.

**iolanda** · Nov 11th, 2009, 09:26:47

When i had my first 220 engi i rolled with a friend he picked atrox i did soli , it was abit harder for him to cast pets but the xtra hp he had didnt feel like it was worth giving up Survival . Id say best pick is soli or nm depending on what you prefer , in some situations nm cocon is better in others survival is better basicly its about your play style .
All that beeing sayid i dont belive atrox will ever be better then nm or soli .

**Xyphos** · Nov 11th, 2009, 10:38:14

Originally Posted by IHaveHugeNick

none of them ever did any PvP apart from Neme

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...and counting.

**Phargus** · Nov 11th, 2009, 13:44:42

I'd hold off rolling it till friday. Likely the breed/general perk change documentation will be out then.

**erozc** · Nov 11th, 2009, 15:47:41

Should be a good idea to watch out for breed/mechanics changes before making a blanket statement based on the incomplete changes that have currently been suggested.

**Susi** · Nov 11th, 2009, 23:27:00

I definitely wouldn't go trox before MR's fate has been decided.

**IHaveHugeNick** · Nov 11th, 2009, 23:35:52

Currently Nanomage comes out at the top mostly due to changes to Creative Mind line (and few other AI lines). The combinaton of absorb item + having 10 free ai perk points to distribute is very decent and very flexible , and while compared to Solitus/Atrox always comes out on the top with AR and/or nanoskills , with arguably similar defense. Though i still consider Solitus the best breed from stricly defensive point of view. Also as far as genome perks go i'd definitely expect some improvements to Opi/Nanomage genome perks - we should find out this friday i guess.

Originally Posted by Xyphos

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...and counting.

You are the only person on this board that had restort to showing off your "impressive" kill count in order to build some PvP credibility, it really says it all.

Stick to debating in tradeskills topics.

**Takun** · Nov 12th, 2009, 04:35:27

Originally Posted by IHaveHugeNick

You are the only person on this board that had restort to showing off your "impressive" kill count in order to build some PvP credibility, it really says it all.

Hey, killing those 212 fixers is serious work.

I might actually be impressed but from what I hear, you use remod and aimed shot more than you do your sloth so that's really nothing to point out. Regardless a 210 doctor could get that many kills with parry sticks if they played enough. If you get my point.

How about you post some pvp videos of you beating 220 people in duels with grenade gun, then we might have something to talk about.

**-Stage-** · Nov 13th, 2009, 07:38:43

I'm trying to imagine the expression on the face of the new engi forum mod. By now, they probably think they know why the short straw was for this forum

**Susi** · Nov 13th, 2009, 09:51:02

lol

**Quieter007** · Nov 13th, 2009, 18:01:03

At least nanomage breed perklines are somewhat decent (talking about secondary line with DamageToNano mitigation).

Solitus have improved healing power , with Survival firing in 1sec and Feel adding a small hot/not (nothing gamebreaking), on top of tacky hack that reduce snare and root now.

Opifex looks interesting , especially Adapt (1special/normal blocker every 4 sec for 20secs). I wonder if it stack with our OP self blockers.

Just LOL about the new MR without drawback

**Louderer789** · Nov 13th, 2009, 20:03:48

Atrox
Primary: very nice for DD Engy with +150 dmg for 60s every 120s (50% of the time, thats pretty huge). MR of course too.

Secondary: 500 static HP in addition to the ~1500 HP advantage atrox already has over soli. survival clone does 3000 healing over 20s and MoF does insta 2000-3000 heal, meaning atrox now has the most healing from genome line where previously they had none.

Nanomage
Primary: init debuff+snare is pretty nice

Secondary: nano to damage is pretty nice, not sure but with 27% self reflect i guess this adds about 7% to your reflects

Soli
Primary: landable root with 5 perks, 10 perks gives +25 crit to entire team, very nice

Secondary: Feel is kinda lame compared to the other static buff genomes, 600hp/300 nano per minute, but since you would have this line perks for other reasons...whatever. Survival changed from 3600 healing/30s to 5000 hp+nano/18s, but recharge increased as well. Tacky hack in same line with increased anti root abilities.

Opifex
Primary: This line is made of feces.

Secondary: The permabuff of 100 AAD is useless to engy but great for many opifexes. Dizzying heights useful I guess if you get UBTed and need to cast pet attention badly or something *shrug* Blocker also not that great for engy, alhough it says it will block a normal attack as well. It probably would set special blockers to 1 tho.

Overall I'd rank the genome perks like this for engy

Atrox
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Soli - Nano
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Opifex

**Solidstriker** · Nov 13th, 2009, 20:45:38

Originally Posted by Quitter123

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Well, to balance it out, at least the rest of the breeds aren't neutered..

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