Highest Pistol match up

[Technogen]

K so 2 days putting my 300 burst on been doing all this math stuff and i'm like 300 MR off from 2 300s so Whats the highest combo possable? Does having OE MR make the gun gimp? right now just slightly anoyed that its not possable to get that much MR unless your an advy :/.

[rubera]

You can probably get on a 225-ish kyr offhand max, (was some time since I was working on it) and yeah the MR req sucks.

[muha]

Just a quick math of what a clan nanomage engi can expect at 220, this is purely theoretical, and I do throw it from my sleeve (almost, I did most of this math for something else):

Basic: 4
Points: 610
Basic Trickle: 191
ql300 implants: 282
Full Supple, minus sleeve : 180
Dynamic Sleeve of Aries: 40
Ambidextrous: 120
Counterweight: 40
Coposite: 20
Dalja's ring: 10
Light Ranged Weapons Guide: 2 (omni may have more)
LegChopper ring: 21
Left Brain's (neck/shoudler): 6
ql 300 Guardian Conductor of Ransacking: 50
ql300 Universal Advantage - Coordination: 36
Total: 1612

This doesn't include trickle from abilities buffing items (60% agility 40% str)
Lets be very optimistic, assume no imps clash and so on. I'll even throw in pande loot.
Agi:
ql300 imps: 146
City: 9
FG: 25
Composites: 12
Extruder: 2
apf belt: 35
burden (yeah right): 30
Mystery of Pisces: 12
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Total: 271 = +40 bonus

Int:
ql300 imps: 146
VTE: 15
Wrists: 19
NS: 20
City: 9
Coposites: 12
Extruder: 2
apf belt: 35
burden (yeah right): 30
Intuitive Memory of the Aquarius: 12
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Total: 300 = +30 bonus

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Total: 1682

This translates to about ql245, and that's extremly optimistic.
Opi engi will be slightly better, with 218 basic trickle, so 27 more, which means 10 more ql or so.

Update:
The LE expansion brought +75 MR from the "Combat Application" research line. However, it also brought a better pistoil, Peregrine MK6, with lower MR req, that can be dualed at ql300 making this discussion purely academic.

[TheGovernment]

What happens when you need to equip stat buffing guns to put back in the symbiants; the ones you unequipped to put implants with MR in? +50 int/psy from a pair of maharanees is damn nifty for this purpose.

[rubera]

What happens when you need to equip stat buffing guns to put back in the symbiants; the ones you unequipped to put implants with MR in? +50 int/psy from a pair of maharanees is damn nifty for this purpose.

You curse and then reset perks for a 2-3 weeks to get the pistols back on, or just settle for a ql199 off hand. Apart from that it would be great to have a higher QL pistol in your off hand, would improve damage quite a bit

Anyway, wtb lower MR req on them, it isnt fair that the multi req on kyr axes for example is only 1600 for ql300 while its 1800 for pistols, I drool at the thought of having a ql300 type4/1 combo

[muha]

You don't Thegoverment. That's why this is just a theoretical thing.

[Revelator]

K so 2 days putting my 300 burst on been doing all this math stuff and i'm like 300 MR off from 2 300s so Whats the highest combo possable? Does having OE MR make the gun gimp? right now just slightly anoyed that its not possable to get that much MR unless your an advy :/.

MR does NOT oe, it's only ever used to equip.

[muha]

What Revelator said is of course correct, no OE on MR.
I would like to add that you can't hostswap on MR. For example if you have a Type 4 equiped in the right hand and you equip a second pistol with MR buff (say Freedom Arms) on the left hand, when you hotswap a type 1 into the left hand it un-equips the right hand as well.

[Beornin]

Ranged adv only need 700ish MR, which is probably possible without a single ip in MR. While ranged advs can get extreme MR, only oldschool advs who never ipr'ed mr have it.

Limiting an engineers MR is probably very frustrating, but at the same time it's very fair.

[Silverado-]

If we were allowed to have 2 QL300 pistols we would probably OD fixers without even using our pets

We already do some very nice damage with a QL199 off hand IMO

[muha]

If we were allowed to have 2 QL300 pistols we would probably OD fixers without even using our pets

And that's a bad thing?

[Spleenman]

And that's a bad thing?

Without our pets? Yes, that would be very bad.

[Elbo]

The girls would be in here screaming NERF!

The sound would rise to such a level it would shatter glass a block away.

[kuznechik]

> Making 5 Gem Saba Bracers!
Elbo, where did you got galactic gems?

[muha]

> Making 5 Gem Saba Bracers!
Elbo, where did you got galactic gems?

All grab your pitchforks and slaughter the necromancer!
You can make 5 gem bracer, you just cannot put the 5th gem inside, as it doesn't drop. This is common practice for the rich and bored.

[Trussa]

If we were allowed to have 2 QL300 pistols we would probably OD fixers without even using our pets

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Yeah right ! :d

[Luuv]

Some thread necromancy...
I use 2xMTI SW500 Geyser to self my guns. Not having any probs with MR, anyway, but would it help with equipping a high-MR gun just as it helps with the pistol skill requirement? If so, it's missing in Muha's list. Could squeeze an additional +30 out of the gun.

[muha]

Some thread necromancy...
I use 2xMTI SW500 Geyser to self my guns. Not having any probs with MR, anyway, but would it help with equipping a high-MR gun just as it helps with the pistol skill requirement? If so, it's missing in Muha's list. Could squeeze an additional +30 out of the gun.

Sadly it doesn't work, you just can't hotswap for MR like you can for other abilities. I tried it multiple times with several MR buffing pistols and they all have the same effect. If you try to hotswap a weapon for which you don't have the MR, it gets equiped, but the other one gets unequiped. Here is a post in which I summarized it all.

[kuznechik]

Btw, please scream "Nerf MPs" since they can equip 2 ql300 kyr pistols.

[Rustybolts]

Need to either update this one or take it out of the useful refernce thread as it's pretty dated now.