Duel Logging - Illegal or Not?

[Marbreth]

Hello Everyone,

I was duel logged the other day when all of a sudden both my characters where disconnected. Turns out that GM Lucien had kicked my characters for being duel logged.

Thanks for the warning GM Lucien! When I finally got back in after the maintenance downtime (boy would I love to know what they REALLY do when they use this excuse), there was a message from GM Lucien stating that I was kicked for duel logging and that if I did it again there was a chance of being suspended/banned.

Now I briefly read the EULA and didn't find anything mentioned about duel logging. As GM Lucien left me a message while I was offline I couldn't reply to him and discuss the issue.

So can someone from Funcum please reply with an official statement on duel logging.

I would also like to hear what the players thoughts on this are. Duel logging is great for transferring items/credits between alts, especially when the item is valuable. It also handy for buffing when no one is around, which is more and more these days

[Kinkstaah]

The basic idea behind it being bad is that *in theory* you could be two different people, playing two differerent characters, on the one account. Which is not allowed.

[____________Polkadoc]

Yes duel logging is illegal, and yes you can get banned for it. The only thing I see wrong with it is camping a mob for XP and you have 2 chars logged in and both of them are getting xp from the mobs you are killing.

[ethernal3]

I have two accounts, and I often have both logged. (alt-tab and play my lowbie enforcer while the team is looking for more or something. )

I assume that it is okay to do, as long as it is two different accounts? If not I would be rather angry. I am paying for two accounts and I expect to be able to play both.

So, any feedback would be appreciated on this.
~Chris

[_____________Bartiir]

Its pretty simple... 2 chars on same account logged on at same time is not allowed. 2 chars from 2 different accounts from same computer is ok... even if it wasn't its impossible to tell since the only way for them to know is by IP... however with NAT or any other such firewall and proxy type software, impossible to tell. 2 chars fromthe same account is very easy to tell.

[silvergrin]

I got banned for doing it, So yes :P

[binaural]

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[Cz]

Two chars from the same account: Not allowed. Period.

Two chars from different accounts on the same computer: No problem, as long as they are both yours.

Giventofly/Nothinman, logging in your friend's account might get that account banned permanently.

(Edited with added info...)

[Nullifax]

Originally posted by Cz
Two chars from the same account: Not allowed. Period.

Two chars from different accounts on the same computer: No problem, as long as they are both yours.

Giventofly/Nothinman, logging in your friend's account might get that account banned permanently.

(Edited with added info...)

In that same respect are you saying that if I let my wife log into my account that my account might get banned? Or if I log into my wife's account my wife's account might get banned? That's horses**t.

[________________Miir]

Originally posted by PipSlag (aka PipBoy)



In that same respect are you saying that if I let my wife log into my account that my account might get banned? Or if I log into my wife's account my wife's account might get banned? That's horses**t.

Read the EULA.


Mind you, Funcom is not going to hunt you down and interrogate you.

But coming to this forum and saying that you log on someone elses account all the time is a little bit stupid. You might as well send an email to Funcom asking them to ban your account.



WTF were you thinking posting that, Nothinman?

[______Biffstatsnugly]

now im confused. If i log my wifes account and my account on im breaking some ruleset??????

[________________Miir]

now im confused. If i log my wifes account and my account on im breaking some ruleset??????

If you're confused, read the EULA.



"Technically", if you log on your wifes account, you are violating the EULA.
They have no way of reliably enforcing this rule, other than IP checking.



Every other MMOG has similar rules regarding the sharing of accounts.

[Nullifax]

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[Nullifax]

Miir, how about YOU read the EULA. Nowhere does it say I can't log in 2 chars at once for the same account.

Nowhere does it say I can't log into someone else's account, seeing as how I own my own copy.


Miir, stop your stupid, naive, uneducated fanboi posts.

[________________Miir]

Nowhere does it say I can't log into someone else's account




Except as provided herein, you may not transfer or share your Account with anyone, except that if you are a parent or guardian


Do you have reading comprehension problems?

I'm not one to make fun of other's disabilities but if you are going to flame and insult me, you should first get someone who can read and comprehend the English language interpret the EULA so you avoid making yourself look like a complete and utter idiot.



Nowhere does it say I can't log in 2 chars at once for the same account

it was Cz who said:

Two chars from the same account: Not allowed. Period

So are you calling a Funcom representative a stupid, naive, uneducated fanboi ?




I believe you have just been pwned, PipSlag (aka PipBoy).

[_______________Tiran]

Pip, perhaps YOU should have read your own post:

Except as provided herein, you may not transfer or share your
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Account with anyone, except that if you are a parent or guardian, you may permit one child to use the Account instead of you (in which case you may not use that Account).
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An account belongs to ONE PERSON. Only that person may use that account. Note that even if a parent buys an account for a child, that parent may then NOT use that account themselves.

[Nullifax]

Originally posted by Tiran
Pip, perhaps YOU should have read your own post:

Except as provided herein, you may not transfer or share your
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Account with anyone, except that if you are a parent or guardian, you may permit one child to use the Account instead of you (in which case you may not use that Account).
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An account belongs to ONE PERSON. Only that person may use that account. Note that even if a parent buys an account for a child, that parent may then NOT use that account themselves.

Ah sharing implies permmission, and transfer implies change of ownership. LEGAL DOCUMENTS ARE LITERAL.

This means that if I log into someone else's account without having asked them, then I am not sharing it. Since I do not own this account it has not been transferred. This is allowed. So, as long as I don't ask them first, it is ok for me to use their account. PERIOD.

How about YOU take a course in legal document interpretation. They did not say it was a violation to use someone else's account. They said it was a violation for you to LET someone else use your account.

[_______________Tiran]

Go ask a lawyer.

Using someone elses account without permission is THEFT. It's also not permitted. The consequences to them would be banning, if Funcom felt they allowed it knowingly.

You are required to use a legitimate account YOU own to log in.

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7. Subject to the terms of this Agreement, we hereby grant to you a non-exclusive license to use the Software solely in connection with playing the Game via an authorized and fully-paid Account.
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If it's not YOUR account, you're not authorized to use it.

'Because I can/wanna' isn't justification for claiming with eyes squinted that if you mangle the meanings sufficiently, you can do it.

More to the point, YOU don't decide. Funcom does.

Break the rules, they aren't going to prosecute/sue you. They're just going to ban you. You have no recourse if they do, other than to try to sue them. Go convince a judge you have the right to steal access to someone else's account, and Funcom has to let you. Go ahead. The judge could use a laugh.

Oh yes, dual log ins:

You may not take any action which imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure.

Funcom decides this, not you, sport. This is the catch all they will use if you should be silly enough to sue them for banning you for multiple log ins simultaneously on one account.

[Nullifax]

Originally posted by Miir
[B]
it was Cz who said:

Two chars from the same account: Not allowed. Period

A post from a Funcom rep in a forum board holds no water whatsoever in any court of law. Reason for this being, nowhere in the liscense agreement say that in order to keep to date with revisions to the EULA you must read the forums. As such, and since by agreement the User is required by law to be informed of any and all changes to their liscense agreement, Cz's forum post holds no water until it is actually ammended to the EULA itself.

Gaute Goddager and his entore staff of cronies can get on the forum and make an entire new thread entitled "EVERYONE MUST READ THIS! THIS POST IS LAW" and it STILL wouldn't mean anything unless they ammended the EULA too.

So Cz and Cosmik can whine all they want about no double login and no two people can use the same account all they want, but fact of the matter is, if they violate THEIR OWN EULA, and they violate it against me or my wife, I'm taking their asses to court. And yes, I have more lawyers than they do, so you can bet your butt I'd win.

[_______________Tiran]

Oh, by the way, dual logging would be classed as an exploit.

The software clearly isn't INTENDED to let you do so. The normal result of logging in when a character is already logged in is that it won't let you.

Tricking the software into letting you log in two characters at once is taking advantage of a bug. Since it's to gain advantages, it would be considered an exploit. Using an exploit is bannable.