Fixers are uber! :)

[____________Anikitos]

This thread made me laugh hard...

http://forums.anarchy-online.com/sho...threadid=35849

You expect to beat enforcers and soldiers now, is that a fact?
Ok..lets play with that thought a little.

Voorg lvl 200 Novice Soldier VS 154 Fixer
Soldier was hitting for basically nothing.
His alpha was...well....not worth mentioning.
Fixer at full def.


Now lets see...you expect to beat soldiers and enfs...ok.
I say, sure. Ofcource you should do that.

But you are NOT supposed to beat a lvl200.
You are not supposed to beat so easy an evenly mached enforcer or soldier.
Again, you are not suppose to have a chance of beating a lvl 200....

[_____________Mr Bean]

Eh Smurfs die just as easly as before

Seriously Aniktos you have some points but the fact is

You might as well complain about NTs with Nullity MK II not that many Fixers with MK IV around(And as we all remeber from snarf just because one person is good does not mean nerf the whole firiggen class!)

Look its not that big a deal

Instead of the former

Classes that can beat each other

It was

Fixer Beats Enfocer, Smart Fixer beats Soilder(Rooot rooot rooot run works if you don't get swared (*cough 2holes)

Fixers LOSES Dumb Traders, Smart NTs and any old MP with nano-shutdown


There has always been some classes that could beat each other

Face it Fixers are ment to be Neo of the Matrix pure and simple
Good with computers
Hard to hit

Specials is how the Fixer crumbles
Oh and now any old NT can kill a Grid Armor Fixer
Root protection is not nuke protection
(Hopefuly)

I fought two GA fixers before I left AO post 14.4
A GA II and GA III respectly

MK II I hit just like normal maybe two three missed shots

III was hard to hit, Specials hit fine but one in three shots missed
Then I Divest/Plunderd Advanced him and lowerd him into 25% zone but thats another story

[rakhabit]

Originally posted by Coldstrike


First of all, debuffs put your GA in OE, but that only affects the AC. And since you don't get hit, you don't need the ac anyway. That moves the trader to the section of people you will rule. MPs nuke, so they can get through.
statement.

I'm a Grid Armor using Fixer, and I can say from experience that when a debuff puts my GA into OE, I get hit A LOT more often. In fact, when 14.2 came out, I got buffed into my grid armor, then canceled the buffs, which put my grid armor into OE(50% effective). I took a mission, and got the crap kicked out of me. after I reallocated my IP I was able to wear my Grid Armor without OE, and guess what? It worked fine, I went back to that same mission, and had no trouble at all.

[aiwass777]

Originally posted by Meruru



I'm a Grid Armor using Fixer, and I can say from experience that when a debuff puts my GA into OE, I get hit A LOT more often. In fact, when 14.2 came out, I got buffed into my grid armor, then canceled the buffs, which put my grid armor into OE(50% effective). I took a mission, and got the crap kicked out of me. after I reallocated my IP I was able to wear my Grid Armor without OE, and guess what? It worked fine, I went back to that same mission, and had no trouble at all.

I can verify this as well. It is painfully clear to me that Funcon LIED when it said that being overequiped would only affect your ACs and weapon damage, specificly in the way that 14.2 changes have been applied to Grid Armor. They stated the the 14.2 changes would not effect any bonuses that equipment may grant, but I guess they must consider a DMS modifier the same as AC.

Whatever.

I don't PvP, and I tend to run for zone when I get debuffed in a mission unless I'm teamed, so being debuffed hasn't killed me yet.

But this doesn't mean that I don't resent being lied to. I'm still waiting for the Fixer Debuff shield that we were promised, I wonder if that was a lie as well.

~Hoopspro

[Coldstrike]

I can only base my statements on the fact that my own armor type equipment only loose ac, not the mods, when I go OE. But GA might have been made different.

This doesn't change a lot, it just puts traders into the short list of people who can kill a fixer.

Now I don't know if this rock/paper/scissors thing was ever intended to mean guaranteed win/loss against certain professions. And right now that is what we have here. 3 debuffing professions can take away your defenses and make you killable. Vs. 2-3 professions you don't have any particular defenses, so you would work normally, and against the last 6 you are invulnerable.

[DaveDread]

Uh, how's the GA's Nano resist bonus? How many fixers have maxed and triple implanted nanoresist?

Anyone tried nuking the crapzola out of the smurfs?

[___________Obergeist]

Geez Dave, that's what I meant in my post. 8P

A triple implanted(solitus) Fixer at level 200 with max nano resist would have 869 or so nano resist. Shining Nano resist in the head probably wouldn't be a popular set up among Fixers.

[Coldstrike]

Don't forget the GA adds 300 nano resist too.

[___________Evilspork]

Originally posted by Coldstrike
3 debuffing professions can take away your defenses and make you killable. Vs. 2-3 professions you don't have any particular defenses, so you would work normally, and against the last 6 you are invulnerable.

Oh yeah, a small PvP portion of 5% of the fixer population that even has GA that are 'invulnerable' against some classes. As opposed to every enforcer being nearly invulnerable against just about every profession.

Note also that nanoresist is virtually useless. Even maxed out, it almost never resists a debuff and that 1169 nanoresist skill would take a mighty 117 points of damage off of that 3k damage nuke. W3 r ubar!

[___________Obergeist]

Hm, that would be 1169ish... lagging far behind Enforcers but light years ahead of everyone else. Don't think that would be enough to stop a nuke though.

Funny, a few bugs and unintended side effects swing balance from the attack to defence.

-Psy factored into nano resist
-GA bug fixed
-General evasion crazyness (Dodged five shots in a row from a Veteran Soldier mob... while on 90% aggro?!)

Whelp... I'll let things settle themselves out. However, no item or nano should make anyone 100% unstopable to three or more professions. That's just my take on it. And we haven't even settled the damn reflection/healing issue either.

When one problem gets solved, another two pop up in it's place.

[Hunter06]

Lets just nerf eveyone and let god sort it out and start all over. I would comment on other profession but i wont, because i know little about mk shiled, nullity, nano shutdown, plunder, complete heal. Why dont I know about those because im a fixer. Ive been a fixer since day one 1 year and some months ago and ive never wanted to nerf anyone. Not when i was alphaed to death by soliders, when my burst was nerfed, when agents could use my nanos before me, when agents could use the fixer shop, when doc's got grid not once. Uber toons dont ruin this game, selfish people who want improvement to their toon and nerfing of others do.

The Original Fixer
Hunter06

[___________Obergeist]

That would probably be easier then the train wreck of a game we're in now.

[Coldstrike]

Yeah, now that fixers are on top of the food chain, let's just stop all further balancing of the game.

[___________Evilspork]

Originally posted by Coldstrike
Yeah, now that fixers are on top of the food chain, let's just stop all further balancing of the game.

You need to replace 'fixers' with 'the small minority of fixers who were lucky enough to get Grid Armor'. How many times must you need to be reminded that GA isn't in our startup nanos?

[ThePartisan]

Originally posted by Anikitos
Did i try challenger? Well i did and had 1.3k attack rating.
Little did it help.

Also, if that was a real duel..as EVERY enforcer knows, using challenger is a death sentance.
Why?
Because if the fixer decides to root me..i am history.
I cant break roots with rage because challenger locks nano skills for 2min....more smart ideas?

Yeah, break roots with Throwing Knife Incompetence like the rest of us

[Seraphael]

A 102 trader ransacked/deprived me REAL good the other day and at once my GAmkIV started acting less than godlike. From there on in my +70 level on him did little to help me out...luckily I run fast=)

The names have been withheld to protect the innocent

[____________Anikitos]

A nanolockdown, do you know what it is?
That means i got like...-2k in all nano skills.

And casting incompetence, how long do you think that will continue working. Besides our rage line is supposed to break roots.

Plz if you dont know what you are talking about...dont post.

[_______________Sware]

Originally posted by Anikitos
This thread made me laugh hard...

http://forums.anarchy-online.com/sho...threadid=35849

You expect to beat enforcers and soldiers now, is that a fact?
Ok..lets play with that thought a little.

Voorg lvl 200 Novice Soldier VS 154 Fixer
Soldier was hitting for basically nothing.
His alpha was...well....not worth mentioning.
Fixer at full def.


Now lets see...you expect to beat soldiers and enfs...ok.
I say, sure. Ofcource you should do that.

But you are NOT supposed to beat a lvl200.
You are not supposed to beat so easy an evenly mached enforcer or soldier.
Again, you are not suppose to have a chance of beating a lvl 200....

There is not a major difference between a lvl 154 and a lvl 200 since by 160 one maxes all necessary skills then after 190+ there r just 40 points to go for each skill (correct me if I am wrong). Yes a lvl 200 would have the luxury of spending ip to other minor beneficial stuff. but GA gives them already to the Fixer so that makes us on par other then you cant really hit us

Other than MP and Traders we should have the upperhand now. And this is not a mistake, it is 'designed' that way.

Most have had his golden age. Whats wrong if its ours now.

Btw I came to this tread via link. I do not PvP (atleast not atm) but know the mechanics well. So do not flame if I have been missing some facts. Just point them out.

[stromm]

It's too funny reading over threads like this, people bickering back and forth about what they think should be nerfed and what shouldn't. This thread is probably a trademark example of why funcom is failing to do their job good. Instead of having players sit at a virtual debate table talking about balance, they should be adressing this issue themselves. And people wonder why successful coporate powers aren't the most liberal?

Perhaps Grid Armor MK4 has this '10/10 miss' crap, i really don't know, but i do know people who have MK3 or lower and pvp once in a while. I never hear them talk of this, and people who have grid armor are able to be killed.

I am a fixer and throughout my time in AO, i've noticed at places like meetmedere i'm being followed around by certain omni's, or challenged by certain title-hungry fellow clanners at the tir arena. Lets face it, fixers have been just a target for a free kill. No, I do not have grid armor, i know people who do and they have this same problem, but i will conclude i don't know anyone with grid armor MK4. Now fixers get their first moment in pvp history and these 'mmorpg analyzers' who look things down to every detail, preferably the powermongers who ruin all gaming aspects such as coldstrike ruin the moment. I don't buy this MK4 100% evade crap at all, if it really was this way i'm sure a lot more people would be complaining by now. I also thing that fixers should not be OBLIGED to have Grid Armor to be good in pvp, as soldiers do not need MKII armor to be good in pvp or any other profession specific item to be good in pvp. No, it is their weapon skills and or nanos that make them good, and don't even get me started on HoTs or any other so-called 'cheap fixer nanos' like i've heard whined at me by MAs in the arena.

So, why is it that people want fixers to return to this state of decay where they are seen as 'free kills?' Simple. The powergamers want a position in their communities and that cool snazzy Freshman, Rookie, Novice, Master or Neophyte title. If any of you didn't notice already none of these people speaking up are fixers themselves.

In all MMORPGs you seem to have this 'nerf that' crowd, and most of them are sore losers. Within the last year, what profession could kill an enforcer in no time besides a trader?

It's ironic grid armor is the hot topic, considering all the rest of PvP is ****ed in so many other different and more distinguishable ways. Maybe its because a fixer is 'a free kill.' Instead of having a certain type(s) of profession(s) be able to kill the fixer, basically people are now saying it should go back to all professions being able to gank the fixer in under a minute. Stupidest thread i've read ever since Pixxxie's anti-pvp clan ones.

[____________Anikitos]

What proffesion can kill an enforcer?
Ma, Adv, MP, Sol, Fixer, Crat, Agent, Trader, Doc, Engi.

This is not a stupid thread brother.
This is simply some obersvations that i have made, stating the facts. Ppl involved can back me up.


I have talked about what is wrong in pvp, many times.
100% Healing, RRF, Bracers.
Thats whats wrong with it.
Not fixers and GA.

As a true fighter class...i EXPECT to be able to kill anything.
Maybe not easy, but i truly expect to be able to kill anything.
That is what FC has promised me.

Enforcer
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Overview
The Enforcer is a one-man demolition team specialising in close combat, swinging everything from small daggers to huge hammers with ease and competence. He is able to both deal and sustain a large amount of damage, boosted by his highly specialised nano programs. However, keeping up with the skill costs of these programs can get costly indeed.

Strong Fields
Health
Armed close combat
Some trade skills
Unarmed combat

Weak Fields
Ranged combat
Nano formula skills
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Fixer
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Overview
The Fixer is at home indoors, with traps, locks and other devices, and a Jack (or Jill)-of-all-Trades. He tries to learn everything easily enough so he can rely on himself and count to be relied upon. A great solo profession, and also good in a team, the Fixer can easily travel all around Rubi-Ka by using his unique nanos that lets him access "The Grid". However, trying to maintain a high level in all skills (especially the rather expensive nano skills) can be an expensive commitment for the Fixer.

Strong Fields
Some ranged weaponry
Some speed skills
Spying skills
Navigation

Weak fields
Close combat
Nano formula skills
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What i want is...a HUGE boost to the enforcer and i mean a BEHEMOTH size boost.
I dont care about GA.
I dont care about the other proffesions.

I want to be able to do EXACTLY what it sais in my proffesion description. KICK ASS.

Fix it.....for crying out loud.

/Pissed off Enforcer that has gotten ZERO love from FC for a very long time.