Aggro broken?

[_________LordMaxwell]

Two stories from last night. Both involve a Doc and Enf duoing mid 70s missions. Both toons are level 55 at the time. (So, sue me for duoing easy missions, it's untwinked toons.)

First story: Single monster. Doc uses shotgun, Enf uses beam. Both attack about as fast, as Doc can't afford ranged init. Enf seriously outdamages Doc with the first four hits. Enf uses Da Taunter twice and Mongo Slam once. Mob turns on Doc.

No, the doc didn't cast heal. Enf didn't have a hot running. We held off on both to test it out. So with 40% more damage, 2 hits with a ql 50 Da Taunter and 1 Mongo Slam it wasn't enough to beat the random factor? Get real!


Story 2: We meet two mobs, bad pull gets em both. Enf Mongos and engages A. Both A&B engage Enf. Doc slows and double dots B. Not touching her shotgun yet. Enf is a bit down on health so receives a heal. Now one mob turns to Doc and stays glued to her through the fight, the other mob sticks to Enf.

Did B turn on doc and A stay on Enf? No, even though A had gotten beat for 4k damage with a beam and B was only Mongoed A turned on Doc and B stuck to Enf for another 30 secs and three heals before Enf even touched B.


Story 2 happens once or twice per mission we duo. Story 1 happens all the time. (And we duo alot.)

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[_____________Mr Bean]

Acutal I belive the problem lies with Taunters
After useing them with various charaters it seems to be a de-taunting devise almost

Setup

Level 115 Trader(myself)
Level 104 MA
Level 109 NT
Level 103 Doc

I'm tanking
Start fight aginst an Master Nano-Tech
Divest
Fling(500)
Shoot 2.4k Crit
Shoot 2.4 Crit
Plunder
MA and NT start attacking
8k Damage Later
Doc 990 heals me
2.4k Fling
Taunt(normal taunter)
NT quick nukes for 500 right after taunt
Mob attacks NT

There seems to be a problem with either taunters totaly broken or they are using the wrong stats and acting like Repressers funcom needs to check into this one.

[_________LordMaxwell]

Yeah, they might actually be aggro-wipes, that would explain alot. Wipe list and leave 1 pt for me.

Though it doesn't explain story 2.

[_______________Hypos]

Here's a nice thread from the doc forum that talks about aggro. Mission Survival Techniques

This is one of the useful threads that I found from the official doctor sticky thread.

[Steelbuns]

I had a similar strange experience last night.

We had a nice team, MA, Adv, Doc, Engie and me, Enforcerette.

I pull a mob, made a crappy hit and got outdamaged by the MA.
Casting Mongo to get aggro back...

The Mob switches from the MA to the Doc.

I cast direct taunt to get aggro back.

The Mob switches from Doc to Engie.

Finally the mob died, all of us getting a fair share of the damage so no one died.

Not what I have in mind when doing Aggro Management thoug

Have to spend a bunch of IP in Psychologie to get an AggEnhancer to work (Solitus I am).

Cheers
Steelbuns

[Ray]

The NT thing might be a result of the taunts and debuffs on some of the NT nukes.

Most high end NT nukes do dmg like an average crit, but also have a debuff AND a taunt on them. Add that up and the mob gets really heavily pissed.

So to e.g. pull aggro off a NT that used lets say Izgimmers Enveloping Flame (does around 2.5k avg. dmg, has a -300 Fire AC debuff and a taunt on it) you would have to 1) do more damage with a crit, 2) divest/plunder/debuff the mob and 3) use a high lvl aggro device (cauz generally 1+2+3 is what Izys Flame does).

I think after 14.2 NTs get way more aggro (cant really say since i currently dont play my NT), simply due to the reduced crit rate of other classes. The taunt on some nukes has to go, or the whole team really has to do the steps 1-3 from above everytime a NT nukes (which, to be honest, just aint gonna happen with casting speed in mind).

Rav