Why is Omni-Tek the bad people?

[Naefen]

The thing about some people ,dear Crackshot, is that meddling with them on a personal level is much like sitting down,closing your eyes and wait for them to break your nose. In some cases, like the one here, the difference of opinion is so extreme theres just no hope of agreement.

You will most likely be met by a wall of comments like: All Omni`s must die! When the last Omni perish Im happy!!! etc etc..

A shame really. Extremists ruining at every oportunity they get....

[_______________Iznes]

As a clanner I fight for freedom from the Omni-tek coorporation that enslaved us long ago, and still, though we want peace, they only want to keep fighting a war that should never have been started. Had you not so cruelly forced us to slave away in the mines, you would never have caused all this destruction. As it is I'm forced to fight. I never seek out fights. I never attack an omni who I have never seen reason to attack. I retaliate against murderous omni, against those that think that because they have the stylish armor, that they are better than us. Given the choice i would happily live side by side with you. But many years of experience with omnis that only want to fight and kill for the fun of it, has hardened me against you. So I will do what i must to end the war. And if I have to kill to do so, then I will.

[Eeky]

Originally posted by Naefen
I really feel the Borealis incident is mentioned enough.

Originally posted by Sallust
I really think a minority extremist group like the Sentinels is mentioned enough.

Originally posted by Naefen
Edit: I think its extremely healthy to mention the extremist minority terrorist group The Sentinels as often as possible. It helps all of us(OmniTek,peace loving clans and neutrals) to stay alert at all times. And theres more extremist clans out there. So lets stay focused on the danger so they wont catch any of us with our guards down.

I think its extremely healthy to mention the Borealis incident as often as possible. It helps all uf us (Clanners, peace loving Omni and neutrals) to stay alert at all times. And there is more extremist Onmi-Tek departments out there. So lets stay focused on the danger so they won't catch any of us with our guards down.

[kranden]

((OOC: crack i think u kinda misunderstand because i shot u at that tower battle :P Lol i mean common omni were attacking clans and i was pissed. Anyways Kranden is supposed to represent The thin line between good and evil. He is good at heart but he believes the end justifies the mean. He is a good human at heart but he is tainted by the war like every other person on this planet, each person chooses their own destiny, Kranden choose one of war. See the thing about my Roleplaying character is that he lives his life in a ballance. His duty to hate everything not with the clans yet the love for his friends who arent clan. Things like this torment Kranden on thoes cold nights out in the wilderness. ((Btw i have nothing agasint u ooc ur a cool person =) ))

[Naefen]

((00c: I feel that everything that happens at tower-war is ooc unless stated otherwise. PS: Kranden if I ever get the chance to kill you and against all odds manage to do so...... its roleplay))

[Pysgod1978]

((OOC: nah,ive seen him fight naef.he's pretty tough.

[kranden]

((OOC: ur welcome to try naef /me grins))

[joshuacrime]

Wow, an OT employee asking the question of the millenium. Only it's not out of a sincere exploration of your own personal philosophy, it's a nebbish attempt at trying to compensate for the current political situation by shaking your fists at the sky and yelling "WHY!". It's entirely 99 and 44/100ths rationalization, but hey, everyone has to start somewhere. Let us begin by taking things the old-fashioned way, step by step.

OT gets a lease to exploit Rubi-Ka. OT makes a lot of things, some bad, some good, and unleashes them unto the planet by pointing an iron-gloved finger out there somewhere and says, like some mad deity, "let loose the beasts and verily say unto them, be fruitful and multiply". And verily, they did. Nanomage, Opifex, Atrox went forth to do the jobs that the OT lazy slimebag cowards weren't prepared to do for themselves in order to start their profit machine clank-clank-clanking along. And most of it was pretty damned dangerous to boot. But that's OK, sayeth the OT Gods Upon High. Send them in by the score. Bring us back our phat loot so we can sit upon our phat asses and reap phat bank accounts. If you don't, we shall most assuredly rend you asunder, and your little dog, too.

Wow, not bad, eh? Nice start. So, what happens next? The terraforming division of OT should have it's collective ass removed for being so amazingly incompetent. Why do you release things out to do your dirty work that doesn't have some sort of failsafe mechanism that will bring them to heel. They never thought about that one, apparently. No, so the eremites and the other things that start the microecosystem and from thence the macroecosystem were just thrown out there, higgeldy-piggeldy and let's watch the fun, shall we? Oh, I'm terribly sorry, Martha...we'll pay off that insurance claim for your son that has to have the thorns from that Thanatos Flower removed from his behind. No worries, Omni-Tek is your friend. Sorry again, Mrs. Disgruntled, we'll compensate for the loss of your son because some big friggin dragon thing ate your son whole. No insurance for you there. My apologies, be sure to make your claim in triplicate to the OT "We Don't Give A Crap" Committee and we'll insure that your claim is processed rapidly, through a flood, a fire and through an earthquake which gobbles up the facility with no backup data. Hahahahaha.

Only that didn't work out so well with the Opi and Nano and Trox workerbees, did it? No, you gave them a BRAIN, and when they realized just what it was that the Corp was doing to them, they said HELL NO WE WON'T GO. Or WE SHALL OVERCOME SOMEDAY. Perhaps it was the "IF I HAD A HAMMER" song that got those OT strikebreakers all riled up. But boy, make a stand against inhuman practices and what do you get for your trouble? Wholesale, unadultered slaughter. Helpless workers with no weapons mowed down by the THOUSANDS by shiftless, spineless corporate thug soldiers. And so, we begin.

Is this "ancient history"? Not as historians mark time. 200 years is not even 2 generations by our lifespans. Try again. The "ancient history" that OT's all point to as being completely irrelevant is anything but. One generation has passed on the torches of freedom and liberty to the next one. Maybe the next one will need that torch passed onto it. It is for OT to decide if that is needed. But never say that it's "ancient history", for if you do, you do not know how to count. Go buy an OT computer and it will help you with those dastardly numbers that run into the hundreds. I'll even help you count with my slide rule and my abacus.

Counterplay and counter-counterplay has resulted in so many things, we can't even begin to keep track of them. The mutants, the cyborgs, the Black Clan, the hideous creatures that roam free on our planet making a danger to us all. The one thing remains constant throughout, however. THE FIRST STONE WAS CAST BY OMNI-TEK. Everything that Clan has done in the interim is a REACTIONARY move against something the corporation has done to quell the already rapidly escalating rebellion into the current state that it is. There are SO many examples of OT people pointing at Clan and saying "you bastards, how dare you call us evil". I dare to call you evil every breathing day I have left, and I will continue to do so until OT is brought to heel and it's totalitarian ways brought to an end.

I am a capitalist at heart, with a strong libertarian sense and an even stronger consideration for the opressed, the powerless, the vanquished and the defeated. I have no truck with each and every person I meet, Omni, Clan or Neutral. I despise and loathe the groups and assemblies that Omni creates to do what it is that they do. Individually, most of you are quite erudite, intelligent and thoughtful. Put on that uniform though, and I know that something inside of you is severely wrong for what OT does on a daily basis, continues to do and will continue to do until you are stopped. I wouldn't mind having a group like Terra Firma's ideals come to the fore in Clan politics. Democratically elected officials making the rules in a representative democracy. OT can stay, as a governed corporate entity that follows the rules for corporations that are set by the ruling body. And of course, the OT monopoly of corporate business on this planet will cease as well. Other large corporations that want to come and do business with the people of Rubi-Ka should be allowed to bring in ships and deliver goods without the threat of the big black monolith blowing them out of the sky. If they want war, they war with the whole planet, and OT would make a marvelous trainer of troops for the Rubi-Ka Defense Forces until they can create training cadres to do it themselves. Perhaps OT would be permitted to keep small rapid response forces to fend off attacks on their installations.

But in no way, shape or form will Clan allow OT to rule this planet as it does.

Want to know why you are the bad guys? Read the screed sheets...oh, I'm sorry...the Omni-Tek press news...and see the filthy lies spread on a daily basis. The propaganda that streams from this font of yellow journalism should make it readily apparent that, if you cannot tell the TRUTH, you must be hiding something, and it's usually something pretty foul. Need more help? Let's just...I don't know...LEVEL A CITY TO GET ONE GUY. Let's...oh, I dunno again, send in hundreds of OT assault troops to disrupt a Clan investigation of strange ships landing on the planet in CLAN TERRITORY and try to take control of the site by naked aggression and brute force. Let's continue, shall we? Oh no, there isn't enough time in the WORLD to do that. How about that little slick pseudo-police organization that came after the first CoT hierarchy for "crimes against humanity" and it's trumped up charges of "being agents of the Dust Brigade". Oh, that was a funny one.

No, I think the representation you get for being OT is much deserved. Your corporation is a soulless, bloodless, lifeless organism that absorbs all that it wants to take, spits out what it cannot and crushes underfoot that which would dare to try and stop it.

[Xhairs]

Josh, i find it amazing to see how convenietly you forget that many of those monsters out there was released by Clan raids against OT R&D installations. Yet i see no Clan paying out insurances or such to people hurt by them. And not taking responsability for it either.

And let´s not forget all those lovely Mantis that are running around thanks to smugglers bringing in unauthorised freight, that just so happened to contain eggs. Now they are running rampant over the South-east and North-East parts of Rubi-Ka. And who knows what else they have brought here.

But never mind that, let´s just blame it on Omni-Tek.

[Naefen]

Problem with you Joshuacrime is that you dont take a vacation when you say you gonna do it. Again, you have decided to start stiring up anger as best you can. You have doubted my motives in the past but all who see you in action must doubt yours. You start talking about who cast the first stone. By that, do you mean to bring dicussions back to the stone age? Comon Joshua, I had higher hopes for you.
And I must add. I know many Opifex, Atrox and Nano-Mage that work for the corp and have seen that only by doing so can they restore peace to these lands. You make it sound like its the Solitus race against the rest. And that is yet another peace of dirty argumentation.

[kranden]

Well said Joshua, And as for the Horrible bio creations that were set free on rubi-ka? Well Omni-tek was creating this horirible mutants for their experiments in thier labratories... you cant blame us for them.

[joshuacrime]

Well, too bad, so sad. It's been said of me by those who know me far better that dealing with me is like wearing fiberglass underwear, so I appreciate the sentiment and I cultivate it. Perhaps. Irritating people is what I do best. I even bought an ANCIENT movie called How To Irritate People (starring the old British genius comic John Cleese and others) and I assiduously follow every precept presented in it. Lovely stuff.

As for being a "warmonger", I don't care about what epithets you tar me with. I'm the Neon Teflon Nanomage, bud. Ha. Warmonger, indeed. What equates to a "warmonger" in your parlance is in reality a determined, intelligent individual who is not someone's lapdog. I will not take your terms and like it. You make it sound as if I have to do this, or I am a 'warmonger' and 'not serious about peace'. In other words, if I do not agree with you, I am castigated as being uncivilized or brutish, or a "dirty Clanner". I will AGREE to terms for negotiated settlements and if the CoT does anything less than that, I will seriously consider leaving Clan forever and going Neutral. Because if that happens, Clan will be just another failed attempt at reforming Omni-Tek, and all these years of warring for something that is THIS worthwhile fighting for will have been for naught.

Casting stones, Naef old boy, refers to two Biblical canons in which it was mentioned that, firstly, one should not judge others, refering to the phrase "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" since there isn't anyone in the universe that meets that criterion and therefore making you a hypocrite, and secondly "he who lives in glass houses should not throw stones". This one was always a bit of a mystery to me. Not one of the more lucid parables, if you ask me. However, I believe they refer to the fact that throwing your hatred outward will destroy your own foundations in the process. That's a weird one to me, honestly.

And I never mentioned anything about Solitus vs. the genetically engineered races. On the complete contrary, I empathize with them in ways the corporation could never do. I, too, am a nanomage. Unless very specific precautions are met, I could never leave Rubi-Ka and live. It was ruinously expensive for me to get enough notum to saturate my spacecraft so that I was able to leave the planet at all. No, of all races, mine is the one in the most danger, for nanomages cannot live without the mineral that only exists here. However, since you completely misinterpreted my statement, I shall explain. Those races were created as little more than slave labor with sentience and forced to work in harrowing conditions where life was as cheap as a gun and armor is on our beloved planet today. If these conditions were not present and workable by the Solitus race alone, there would have been no NEED to tamper with the genetic structure of that race and make alterations, would there? Why make something that isn't needed, as the cost is horrific, not to mention the social/psychological implications of such meddling with nature? Only it was deemed a necessity by the lazy, cowardly scum that used to run the corporation, and instead of doing the work themselves, the OT Pantheon of Scum decided that it needed races for work and made them.

So, having a homeland that is a place where living is not only bearable but enjoyable is one of my goals. The question begs not whether it is bearable or enjoyable, but there is a matter of pride involved here. To enjoy these qualities, by your methodology, I must knuckle under to the corporation that has hunted me and my brethren since I was born and well before that, and will continue to do so unto eternity, for I see no respite in OT's attitude towards me or my kind. I must swallow that which I know to be true in my heart in order to live a life free of conflict. Quite frankly, I would prefer death in the permanent sense than for that to ever occur. I am a free, sentient and thoughtful being and I choose to live life on MY terms, not some Utopian dystopia that OT offers. No thanks. Rather than live on my knees, I prefer to die on my feet. With my boots on.

So, if wanting a better life than what your beloved corporation/church offers to you makes me a bloodthirsty warmonger, then I am guilty. Mea culpu. Mea MAXIMA culpa, my friend.

[Xhairs]

Well said Joshua, And as for the Horrible bio creations that were set free on rubi-ka? Well Omni-tek was creating this horirible mutants for their experiments in thier labratories... you cant blame us for them.

Kranden, i just stared at the screen for a minute trying to understand what must have gone on in your head. Those "horrible mutants" were never meant to be out in the wild. They were experimental entitys that should have been examined, and then disposed of.

Tell me this. If a Doc has some of the old Ebola-2F9 strain in a secure laboratory, trying to cook up a cure for that damn bug, and along comes Joe Shmoe and sees all the Bio-Hazard signs and warnings that this is dangerous stuff. But still Joe choses to ignore it and sets the bug lose in a city, and thousands die and hundreds are crippled for life. Who is the guilty party?

Yes, part of those weird creaturs out there are lose because of negligent personel and bad security routines. But at least as many are out there because some Clanner decided it was a good thing to open every single holdingcell and cage in that research instalation he and his/her friends were raiding.

[kranden]

These horrible creations should not have been created in the first place!

[Xhairs]

Need i point out to you that we all started out there at one point? Solitus, Opifex, Atrox and Nano breeds all started out in the labs at one point. Or would you prefer that we all just cease to exist? Experiments have to be made, or there will be no progress at all.

[Naefen]

Ive always respected your view Joshuacrime. Everyone is entitled theyre own view. But dont tell me you work in the name of peace. If you were you would atleast start by respecting the opposite side witch is something you, by your overly dramatic and childish way of describing us, cannot be said to have ever done.

And yes you did say something about the Solitus vs the rest of the breeds.
You said the rest of the breeds stood up and said: HELL NO WE WONT GO!! or something like that. If you want me to I will be most happy to quote you on it.
So my remark on that still stands.

What you ment was who hurt the other side first when it comes to your stone remark. Instead of flowering it with old biblical nonsense it can be said that easily. Please spare me having to read the 90% rubbish in between your 10% meaningful lines. Its not an order. Its a request. Maybe more people will see what youre actually about. But hey, maybe you dont want that.

[joshuacrime]

Sorry, Naef. I will not reduce the "flowery" content in my speeches to satisfy people that can't read. I will not act like a dumbass so that everyone treats me like an equal.

I do work for peace, but an honorable peace, and one that does not involve my taking your terms for peace as the only way to have a peace. Your terms involve a return to the status quo, and not antebellum either. No, and as the old rock band "Megadeth" said once, quite brilliantly I might add, "whadda ya mean I ain't kind, just not YOUR kind".

I don't respect the other side, because they give me no reason to respect it. In addition to housing a great deal of reprehensible individuals on a personal level, they also have a philosophy of working that is completely against everything I believe in. So, no, I have no respect for Omni-Tek and for about 80% of the people that fill it's spaces.

As for Solitus vs the rest of the breeds, you completely misinterpret AGAIN. The breeds WERE created for labor, otherwise there was no need to make them. They weren't created for the good of mankind, they were made for the purpose of their added utility in labor. And they were abused, while the Solitus alphas up there in corporate central decided to sit on their fat asses and reap the profits. That is, until they decided to bail and begin the rebellion.

Again, I'm spending more time redefining my argument rather than continuing it, when my arguments and debates are very clearly formed. I can't help it if people cannot understand. Perhaps they should read more. I don't know. Perhaps I am merely wasting my breath here, which is most likely. I think that from now on, I'm just going to put my effort into killing things. Debating is a lost cause here on Rubi-Ka, since not many are actually any good at it.

[Naefen]

What your telling us all Joshuacrime is ,in fact, that you dont work for peace at all. You work for clans victory and riddence with Omni Tek.

As for the breed issue I think its you who needs to learn how describe WHAT EXACTLY it is you mean. Maybe you elaborate so much you kind of forget what you started out writing?? Anyway, enough time wasted on you.

[kranden]

No need to be rude to Joshua, Naef. He brings up alot of good points.

[Khailea]

The short and (bitter)sweet: Yes, the "Corporation" will provide for you... as long as it is profitable for them at least. When it's cheaper to "produce" new Atrox workers than to save ones that are trapped in a mine shaft, well, sorry but you are out of luck.

How can you trust people that put a monetary value on human life and use it as an excuse to let a human being die? And before you start with "this happened so long ago in the past", I can only say this: Don't ever forget the past, but remember it as well as you can. Or it will repeat itself. Omni-Tek will betray you if it's profitable for its shareholders.

This is why the Clans came to be, these are our ideals, this is what we are fighting for: because everyone was created equal and everyone has a right to be free. People have been fighting for these ideals since the dawn of mankind. And I will probably never see the day that these dreams are fulfilled. But I wouldn't want to leave our children a world without any hope left.